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FW: Identifying to which note a grace note is attached

From: Alexander Plötz <post@notenlektorat.de>
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:41:03 +0200
To: "'Music Notation Community Group'" <public-music-notation@w3.org>
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From: Alexander Plötz [mailto:post@notenlektorat.de] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 21. September 2017 22:07
To: Joe Berkovitz
Subject: RE: Identifying to which note a grace note is attached


I would also like to submit this example from Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge, containing very clearly some grace notes that are belonging, if to anything, then indeed to the preceding note (alternatively the trill). They certainly do not attach to the following note, since there is none. One could argue that they are attached to a position (an approach that has its merits, in my opinion), which would mean that it is pretty much irrelevant whether that position contains a regular note or a rest. As a side thought, this would open the question whether grace notes should be allowed to have positions that do not contain such a regular note or rest in the first place.







From: Joe Berkovitz [mailto:joe@noteflight.com] 
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. September 2017 19:09
To: Simon Giddings
Cc: Music Notation Community Group
Subject: Re: Identifying to which note a grace note is attached


Hi Simon,


In both notated music and in MusicXML, grace notes and appoggiaturas are not "attached" to notes that follow them (although ties or slurs could provide such connections, as they do in non-grace-note cases). They simply precede the following notes, in their order of occurrence on the page or in a document.


If an application has a notion of attachment, that's up to the application. MusicXML doesn't need to encode attachment, because music notation doesn't have an inherent notion of such attachment.


That second scenario (grace note following normal note at the end of a measure) is not seen in conventional notated music. Although one could write it and encode it, its interpretation would be unclear to a performer. It's not so much that the layout is correct or incorrect, as that the conventional interpretation of a grace note or appoggiatura is dependent on some normal note that follows it in the same measure.


Hope this helps,

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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Simon Giddings <mr.s.giddings@gmail.com> wrote:

Good afternoon,

Firstly, my comprehension of music notation is not extensive, so please forgive me if I make any clearly wrong assumptions.

When using notation software, we can add a grace note or appoggiatura to either the start of a note or after it.
At this point, we can decide to link the notes with a tie, a slur or nothing as in this manner.

I have two questions :

1.	In MusicXML, how can I detect which to note the grace note is attached since there is no tie or slur ?
2.	Is this layout correct specifically for the second scenario ?

Best regards
Simon Giddings


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