Re: Identifying to which note a grace note is attached

Hi Bernd,

I was referring specifically to the case where there is no following normal
note *within the same measure*. I have not seen examples in the literature
where grace/appoggiaturas immediately precede a barline, as in Simon's
example. But it's quite possible that I've missed this. It would be great
for the MNX effort if you could supply an example of this case from the
literature.

.            .       .    .  . ...Joe

Joe Berkovitz
Founder
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Bernd Jungmann <bjungmann@t-online.de>
wrote:

> Hi Joe and Simon,
>
> "not seen in conventional notated music"?
>
> In capella, we support both appoggiatura and passing appoggiatura. In
> German, the terms are Vorschlag and Nachschlag. I find various examples for
> Nachschlag (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzierung_(Musik)#Nachschlag,
> http://www.klavier-noten.com/musik-literatur/VERZIERUNGEN.pdf), but none
> for passing appoggiatura. Maybe passing appoggiatura it is not the correct
> English term. But Nachschlag seems to be well known.
> In our MusicXML export, we use the steal-time-previous attribute for
> Nachschlag notes, and hope that the steal-time-following attribute
> (documented "as for appoggiaturas"), will be implicitly applied if the note
> has a <grace/> element.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bernd Jungmann
> www.capella-software.com
>
> Am 20.09.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Joe Berkovitz:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> In both notated music and in MusicXML, grace notes and appoggiaturas are
> not "attached" to notes that follow them (although ties or slurs could
> provide such connections, as they do in non-grace-note cases). They simply
> precede the following notes, in their order of occurrence on the page or in
> a document.
>
> If an application has a notion of attachment, that's up to the
> application. MusicXML doesn't need to encode attachment, because music
> notation doesn't have an inherent notion of such attachment.
>
> That second scenario (grace note following normal note at the end of a
> measure) is not seen in conventional notated music. Although one could
> write it and encode it, its interpretation would be unclear to a performer.
> It's not so much that the layout is correct or incorrect, as that the
> conventional interpretation of a grace note or appoggiatura is dependent on
> some normal note that follows it in the same measure.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> .            .       .    .  . ...Joe
>
> Joe Berkovitz
> Founder
> Noteflight LLC
>
> 49R Day Street
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> USA
>
> "Bring music to life"
> www.noteflight.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Simon Giddings <mr.s.giddings@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> Firstly, my comprehension of music notation is not extensive, so please
>> forgive me if I make any clearly wrong assumptions.
>>
>> When using notation software, we can add a grace note or appoggiatura to
>> either the start of a note or after it.
>> At this point, we can decide to link the notes with a tie, a slur or
>> nothing as in this manner.
>>
>>
>> I have two questions :
>>
>>    1. In MusicXML, how can I detect which to note the grace note is
>>    attached since there is no tie or slur ?
>>    2. Is this layout correct specifically for the second scenario ?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Simon Giddings
>>
>
>
>