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Re: Semantically enhanced SVG (proposal)

From: Wil Macaulay <wil.macaulay@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 11:10:06 -0800
Message-ID: <CAPwTryKQLuCUCOHvHcosdmVx0uW=uocKN7zHwYb=hc9Hf-_L=w@mail.gmail.com>
To: James Ingram <j.ingram@netcologne.de>
Cc: Nicolas Froment <nicolas@musescore.com>, public-music-notation@w3.org
Just as an FYI, although Webvtt is not a w3c standard, it is used
extensively in streaming media, as the underlying captioning format for HLS

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 4:32 AM, James Ingram <j.ingram@netcologne.de> wrote:

> Hi Nicolas,
>
> Thanks for the links.
>
> The SMAWS demo at
> http://sidewaysskullfinger.com/SMAWS_20/SMAWS_20.html
> looks very like the Verovio demo at
> http://www.verovio.org/midi.xhtml
>
> As I said, I don't really understand how the Verovio demo works, but
> suspect that something very similar is going on under the hood.
>
> _________________
> SMAWS
> I've read the intro at
> https://musescore.org/en/node/84576
> scanned through the thread at
> https://musescore.org/en/node/61746
> and taken a (fairly quick) look at the (well documented) code for the demo.
>
> SMAWS links playback of an mp3 file to the SVG via timestamps stored in a
> WebVTT file and both id and custom data- attributes attached to event
> symbols (called "notes") in the SVG.
>
> It uses native HTML (<audio><track>) playback, which means that accurate
> synchronisation is a problem.
>
> _________________
> WebVTT (the Web Video Text Tracks format)
>
> This is not actually a W3C draft standard. The "Status of this document" at
> https://w3c.github.io/webvtt/
> makes that very clear:
>
>> It is not a W3C Standard nor is it on the W3C Standards Track.
>>
>
> The WebVTT document is itself interesting. Its the kind of thing that the
> W3C Music Notation CG might eventually publish. Its not really important
> that we create a W3C standard.
>
> WebVTT's "main use is for marking up external text track resources in
> connection with the HTML <track> element", so it can obviously store
> sequences of timestamps that can trigger arbitrary events. But I think it
> is bound also to include redundant text pointers when used to trigger
> changes in the SVG display.
> I think we need something simpler, and that accurate synchronisation is
> always going to be a problem in HTML.
>
> Bear in mind that semantically enhanced SVG files could also be used by
> non-browser applications, so we ought to go for maximum accuracy. I think
> garbage collection interruptions may always be a problem when playing large
> scores in browsers. Maybe I'm wrong.
>
> _________________
> Musescore's SVG output (Qt)
>
> I see from the thread at
> https://musescore.org/en/node/61746
> that musescore uses a Qt SVG generator:
> https://www.qt.io/
> This is a general purpose library, used by many applications, musical and
> otherwise.
>
> I think it should be possible to create a (non-commercial) solution that
> replaces the Qt library and includes (musical) semantic info.That solution
> could either be built on top of something that is more generally useful, or
> be a standard library for use only by music notation applications.
>
> I'm really looking for a solution that works for _all_ notations, but
> MEI/Verovio seems to be a very good place to start, so I'm going to
> continue this thread on the MEI list:
> mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de
>
> Best,
> James
>
>
>
>
> Am 30.11.2016 um 18:32 schrieb Nicolas Froment:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just want to mention that MuseScore is currently exporting simple SVG.
>> However, a contributor is working on SVG+WebVTT export. I don't know the
>> details but it seems WebVTT is a W3C draft standard
>> https://w3c.github.io/webvtt/ and can link SVG ids and time. It might be
>> worth investigating.
>> There are several posts on the musescore.org <http://musescore.org>
>> forum. Here is an introduction: https://musescore.org/en/node/84576
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>


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