Re: Measure-free scores

Hi Folks,

I'll leave the SVG business out for the purposes of this response, since I
would like to discuss that separately.

Barlines can be already be explicitly notated in MusicXML, independently of
measures. The MNX proposal doesn't mention this because it's part of
MusicXML, and I assume we would retain it. So that's not controversial.

I think the question of whether <measure> is necessary or not is reasonable
to ask, though, and we should discuss it further. It is not necessary to
tear down the whole MNX edifice to consider this question, though.

I would add one more point here: measures are tangible objects in the user
interfaces of most CWMN notation editors and viewers. So there is tangible
value in transferring one application's notion of "measure" to another
application. Not every barline corresponds to a measure boundary.

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On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 AM, James Ingram <j.ingram@netcologne.de> wrote:

> Hi Mogens, Dennis,
>
> I'm assuming that the MNX containers (<system>, <measure> etc.) are *abstract.
> *They contain objects that can have temporal and/or graphic parameters.
>
> @Mogens: I agree with you that ties can just be graphic. They don't need
> to contain temporal info. Neither do the <event> symbols to which they
> connect. All the temporal info can go in the first <event> to be tied.
>
> @Dennis: Note that nothing has been said about where on the page the
> <system>s,  <measure>s etc. have to be. Usually, they nest in the way their
> names suggest for CWMN, but as long as they nest correctly, they can be
> read vertically or go round in circles as far as I care... :-) They might
> even overlap significantly, though that's an unusual case.
> *Where* they exist on the page depends on the graphic definitions of the
> objects they contain, but the arrow of time always takes a predefined route.
>
> James
>
>
>
> Am 03.04.2017 um 13:42 schrieb mogens@lundholm.org:
>
> Since bars/measures are really graphic elements, I think there should be
> no measures. Instead there should be a pure graphic symbol for a
> bar/measure. With no measures, I think that also ties should fall. *Tie*
> is also just a graphic element and should be a pure graphic symbol.
>
> *Repeat*, *Segno*, *Coda* and *Fine* etc. seem to be related to <measure>.
> For example *Segno *is always first in a measure, *Fine* is always last
> in measure. Will it just simplify
> things being able to put them anywhere?
>
> /Mogens
>
>
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