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Re: question on issue-110 (xml:lang vs. lang)

From: Leroy Finn <finnle@tcd.ie>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:41:27 +0000
Message-ID: <CAMYWBwu2o-VFEdJqCt=S3m8N=aQ0CAgg-tWXrYotWgB5YKJVRw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>
Cc: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>, "<public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Everyone this test file now has been added here:
https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/blob/master/its2.0/inputdata/languageinformation/html/languageinfo4html.html
.
I will add the output soon. So issue-110 can be closed for Ankit.

Cheers,
Leroy


On 29 January 2013 10:09, Leroy Finn <finnle@tcd.ie> wrote:

> Okay I will add this test file today based on this discussion.
>
> Leroy
>
>
> On 28 January 2013 21:32, Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de> wrote:
>
>> Anything else would be tremendously unintuitive for most users and would
>> create strange problems. So +1 to Yves and Shaun.
>>
>> Arle
>>
>> --
>> *Arle Lommel*
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>>
>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 21:21, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on Shaun's comments.
>> (especially "...xml:lang to take precedence over lang only when defined
>> on the same node")
>>
>> -ys
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shaun McCance [mailto:shaunm@gnome.org <shaunm@gnome.org>]
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:28 PM
>> To: Felix Sasaki
>> Cc: Jirka Kosek; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: question on issue-110 (xml:lang vs. lang)
>>
>> On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 12:17 +0100, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>
>> Am 25.01.13 11:19, schrieb Jirka Kosek:
>>
>> On 25.1.2013 9:01, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>
>>
>> we had discussed on Wednesday
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/23-mlw-lt-irc#T11-36-22
>>
>> that xml:lang and lang take precedence over the BCP 47 value
>>
>> conveyed by a "langRule". One clarification question: should we
>>
>> state that this relation also includes inherited values? e.g.
>>
>>
>> <html xml:lang="en" ...>...
>>
>> <its:langRule selector="//h:p" langPointer="@class"> ...
>>
>> <body lang="ja"> ...
>>
>> <p class="de">...
>>
>> </html>
>>
>>
>> In this case the output of processing "langRule" would convey "en":
>>
>> xml:lang takes precedence over HTML lang. And xml:lang inherits to "p".
>>
>> My instinct says that inheritence shouldn't be applied here and for
>>
>> p element language should be selected using langRule.
>>
>>
>> Fine by me - so the output in the test suite would be
>>
>>
>> /html    lang="en"
>>
>> ...
>>
>> /html/body[1]    lang="ja"
>>
>> /html/body[1]/p[1]    lang="de"
>>
>>
>> Now, if "p" contains a "span" element, what would the language be?
>>
>> Probably
>>
>>
>> /html/body[1]/p[1]/span[1]    lang="de"
>>
>>
>> I would say certainly lang="de". I would also expect xml:lang to take
>> precedence over lang only when defined on the same node, so I would expect
>> the language to be "ja" on body.
>>
>> getLang(node):
>>  if node/@xml:lang: return node/@xml:lang
>>  if node/@lang: return node/@lang
>>  if node selected by a langRule: return value from rule
>>   if node.parent: return getLang(node.parent)
>>  else: return ""
>>
>> Seems to me that's the same algorithm we use for all other data
>> categories, except we don't define our own local attribute, using xml:lang
>> and lang instead.
>>
>> --
>> Shaun
>>
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