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RE: mismatch of html translate and ITS translate

From: Pablo Nieto Caride <pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:11:24 +0100
To: "'Felix Sasaki'" <fsasaki@w3.org>, "'Karl Fritsche'" <karl.fritsche@cocomore.com>
Cc: <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, "'www-international'" <www-international@w3.org>
Message-ID: <157101ce10e4$f95813d0$ec083b70$@linguaserve.com>
Hi all,

Obviously make all attributes translatable seems like a bad behavior to me. As Jirka and others said, title and alt should be definitely translatable, there are others too, such as the content of the meta description and keywords. And as Felix said MT Systems don't usually translate attributes, sometimes the translation is hardcoded with title and alt.

Cheers,
Pablo.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] 
Enviado el: viernes, 22 de febrero de 2013 10:33
Para: Karl Fritsche
CC: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org; www-international
Asunto: Re: mismatch of html translate and ITS translate

Hi Karl,

one process thing: please keep the www-international list in the loop, since the i18n guys will need to look into the issue too. One comment below.

Am 22.02.13 10:27, schrieb Karl Fritsche:
> On 22.02.2013 10:16, Jirka Kosek wrote:
>> On 22.2.2013 6:55, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>
>>> What would your preference be for resolving this:
>>> - asking HTML5 to change its semantics
>> I think that HTML5 spec should be changed and attributes should be 
>> removed from translation. Or as a compromise only title and alt 
>> attributes should be considered as translateable.
>>
>>             Jirka
>>
> The Problem in HTML5 is, you don't have any option to allow 
> translation of attributes.

But where do you need this, except title and alt?

> We can use rules, but this doesn't exists in HTML5. Thats why they 
> using this behavior, I think.

Actually implementations don't use this - I checked the online MT translation systems that do HTML translation, and they don't translate attributes.

> And to say some attributes are considered to be translatable and 
> others not, would be very confusing. Specially what are you doing with
> data-* attributes - are they are translatable or not? Thats why I 
> think they considered everything as translatable and the translation 
> software should handle this.

So you are saying we should disalign ITS XML "translate" versus HTML "translate"? What will happen then for workflows like with Linguaserve, who do XML processing of XHTML files as part of their workflow chain?

Best,

Felix
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