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[Minutes, action items and "use cases" high level summary] 2013-02-13

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:25:32 +0100
Message-ID: <511BBE7C.6020500@w3.org>
To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Hi all,

Minutes of today's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html
and below as text. We re-distributed a lot of action items. All, please 
have a look and protest if you don't get to doing your action items. 
Esp. at Yves and Jirka: we gave you various co-editing related action 
items, please have a look.


We also discussed the upcoming publication of
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
Christian noted that the subsections related to implementations, e.g.
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#More_Information_and_Implementation_Status.2FIssues_2 
might become out of date over time. So before finalizing the publication 
(note that the upcoming publication is only a first draft), we should 
decide what to do about these subsections.

Best,

Felix


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                  MLW-lT Phone call 13,2,2013 13.00 UTC

13 Feb 2013

    See also: [2]IRC log

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Attendees

    Present
           Ankit, DaveLewis, Karl, shaunm, leroy, omstefanov,
           philr, Naoto, felix, dF, Milan, Pedro, tadej, cweins

    Regrets
           jirka, Dom, Jorge, Yves, Pablo

    Chair
           daveL

    Scribe
           omstefanov

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]1) Action item and issue re-distribution
      * [5]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

1) Action item and issue re-distribution

    <daveL_>
    [6]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-l
    t/2013Feb/0066.html

       [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0066.html

    [7]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/open

       [7] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open

    [8]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/is
    sues/open

       [8] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open

    <daveL_>
    [9]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/open

       [9] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open

    We start with open action items.

    DaveL says lots are assigned to Felix, so we need volunteers to
    help

    Action-215 (Generate a sample of testing involving XLIFF) David
    Filip has prepared some samples.

    At last meeting it was decided we need more samples, daveL made
    some, with Leroy, and after testing they will be put up

    daveL is closing action item 215

    Action-251 (make the necessary steps for the mime type section
    during last call mentioned at
    [10]http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype) to Felix
    still open

      [10] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype)

    Action 277 (Color-code cells in Mappings table dependent on
    unstable ITS categories or in XLIFF) to David Filip is still
    ongoing as we still need work on XLIFF

    <trackbot> Error finding '277'. You can review and register
    nicknames at
    <[11]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/u
    sers>.

      [11] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users%3E.

    DaveL is willing to take over Action-310 (Go through the
    document and check data category naming (capital first letter
    plus hyperlink)

    <fsasaki>
    [12]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/310 now daveL

      [12] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310

    Action-333 (Check if the tables in the draft can get a caption
    and numbering (might need change to odd and xslt) DaveL is
    asking whether anyone other than Felix, from editors is on the
    call.

    <daveL_>
    [13]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/333

      [13] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333

    Shaunm will take over Action-333

    <fsasaki>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/333 now shaun

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333

    Jirka has agreed to take over action-341 (check syntax
    highlighting of html examples with focus on quotes)

    ACTION-356 (Draft non-normative definition of "annotation")
    sill open with Christian L

    <fsasaki>
    [15]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/341 now jirka

      [15] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/341

    Action-377 (provide rewrite of section 1 and 2 by mid Jan,
    taking editoral comments in issue-61 into account)

    David F to get involved with Action-377 (with Christian L)

    ACTION-378 (provide an example for clarified "uncategorized"
    quality issue type value, see 2) at
    [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60) with Arle L - DaveL
    believes this is resolved

      [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html

    Felix indicates that Arle wanted to make a clarification. Still
    needs to be implemented (the clarification)

    Action-379 (provide an update of the mapping "quality issue
    type values to existing tool values", see 3) at
    [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60)

      [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html

    This is a non-normative topic that still needs to be updated
    (by Arle)

    <fsasaki>
    [18]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/381 now daveL

      [18] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/381

    Action-381: DaveL is willing to take over from Felix. (Come
    back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned
    at
    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2012Dec/0088.html)

      [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html)

    <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-381 Come back to "relation
    between data categories" examples mentioned at
    [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2012Dec/0088.html.

      [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html.

    Action-385 (Shaun McC) Work on regex for validating regex
    subset proposal)

    On this, Felix had errors using Oxygen. Shaun will look in.

    Action-389 (Felix) (Change example on its-tool-annotation).
    DaveL will take over from Felix.

    <fsasaki>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/389 now daveL

      [21] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/389

    <fsasaki>
    [22]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/390

      [22] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/390

    Action-390 (check disambig examples and test suite with regards
    to presence of annotatorsRef). Tadej says examples are all
    correct.

    omstefanov suggests referring to "disambig" as "text
    annotation" throughout further MLW-LT WG

    DaveL says Tadej should assist editors here

    Action-389 - DaveL will take over from Felix

    Action-390 remains open, with Tadej

    Action-392: Make the edit for issue 76. Does anyone know where
    Arle is on this. Felix says unclear whether just wording change
    or change of implementation.

    <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-392 Make the edit for issue
    76.

    Action-393 (go back to Richard I. about new resolution for
    issue-79) DaveL

    <fsasaki>
    [23]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/79

      [23] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/79

    Davel is asking for someone to take over

    Felix says just one sentence needs to be changed, email sent to
    Richard. DaveL agrees to take this over

    <fsasaki>
    [24]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/394

      [24] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394

    Action-394 (Add links to examples for issue 80)

    <fsasaki> action-394?

    <trackbot> ACTION-394 -- Felix Sasaki to add links to examples
    for issue 80 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [25]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/394

      [25] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394

    <fsasaki>
    [26]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/80

      [26] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/80

    Felix suggests that this needs an editor to do this.

    action-395?

    <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and
    xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [27]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/395

      [27] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395

    <fsasaki> action-395?

    <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and
    xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [28]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/395

      [28] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395

    we discussed this last week. broad conclusion is that wording
    is okay. DaveL has followup action to see how this works with
    HTML vs. XML

    Felix will keep this action item.

    action-396?

    <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for
    xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [29]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/396

      [29] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396

    <fsasaki> action-396?

    <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for
    xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [30]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/396

      [30] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396

    <fsasaki> close action-396

    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-396 Create example for xml;lang /
    lang.

    This action should be closed. Has been done.

    action-398?

    <trackbot> ACTION-398 -- Felix Sasaki to answer Richard to
    indicate we'll address this with a rule file in BP -- due
    2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [31]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/398

      [31] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398

    DaveL is taking this over.

    <fsasaki>
    [32]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/398 now daveL

      [32] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398

    action-399?

    <trackbot> ACTION-399 -- Felix Sasaki to draft non-normative
    section clarifying relations to HTML for issue 89 -- due
    2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [33]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/399

      [33] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399

    <daveL_>
    [34]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/89

      [34] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/89

    <daveL_>
    [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html

      [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html

    Felix explains that relation between its and HTML5 needs to be
    made more clear.

    DaveL asked Christian L whether this could be covered in
    Introduction (to its 2.0)

    Christian L says so far he has not written anything about this.
    Will do so in next draft, and get persons more knowledgable
    with HTML5 to review draft text.

    Should this action (399) be moved to Christian (to do in his
    update to Section 1)

    <fsasaki>
    [36]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/399 now christianL

      [36] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399

    as no objections action 399 to christianL

    Action-400?

    <trackbot> ACTION-400 -- Felix Sasaki to edit the specification
    for Language (MUST missing, etc.) -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [37]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/400

      [37] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/400

    DaveL says simple edit ("must" missing, etc.)

    To be left pending, as DaveL and Felix cannot find substance of
    what needs to be done.

    action-405?

    <trackbot> ACTION-405 -- Felix Sasaki to follow up with
    Christian on tekom as an option. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [38]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/405

      [38] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/405

    scribe: for a workshop towards the end of the year. Felix will
    keep open and follow up.

    action-408?

    <trackbot> ACTION-408 -- Felix Sasaki to ensure that there is
    no MUST in any notes. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [39]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/408

      [39] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408

    action-408: to DaveL

    <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-408 Ensure that there is no
    MUST in any notes..

    <fsasaki>
    [40]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/408 now daveL

      [40] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408

    action-412?

    <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- Felix Sasaki to let Norbert know that
    issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [41]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/412

      [41] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412

    action-414: to DaveL

    <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-414 Make edit for issue-100
    and get back to Norbert..

    will follow up with Norbert

    action-415?

    <trackbot> ACTION-415 -- Felix Sasaki to update unicode
    reference for issue-104 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [42]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/415

      [42] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/415

    keep with Felix and keep open

    action-416?

    <trackbot> ACTION-416 -- Karl Fritsche to propose solution to
    Norbert and then Felix can add to spec. -- due 2013-01-30 --
    OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [43]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/416

      [43] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/416

    Karl said a solution was proposed, sent to Norbert, but no
    response as of now.

    DaveL asks Karl to send a 2nd reminder (to Norbert).

    needs to be done as spec change

    action-419?

    <trackbot> ACTION-419 -- Jirka Kosek to make schematron tests
    described at
    [44]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Own
    ership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

      [44] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose

    <trackbot>
    [45]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/419

      [45] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/419

    <scribe> pending, as Jirka not on cal

    action-420?

    <trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Felix Sasaki to make edit for
    issue-111 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [46]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/420

      [46] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/420

    <fsasaki>
    [47]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/111

      [47] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/111

    <fsasaki> "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language
    ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." This is not
    needed: overriding of ITS information covers this, hence
    deleting the sentence.

    action420: to Jirka

    aCTION-412?

    <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- David Lewis to let Norbert know that
    issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [48]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/412

      [48] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412

    quality-related "must" statements. to be kept open for Arle

    action-422?

    <trackbot> ACTION-422 -- Arle Lommel to do copy-editing on the
    spec -- due 2013-04-01 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [49]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/422

      [49] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/422

    any volunteers to assist, as Arle busy leading up to Rome

    Shaunm volunteers to help

    DaveL says, exclude look at Section 1, but rest, incl. annexes
    needs careful read through.

    Shaunm asks about whether changes need to be approved. DaveL
    indicates editorial changes do not, anything that changes
    meaning does.

    David F points out that this doesn

    't need to be pushed too hard, as Arle took this over with
    deadline in April.

    Felix points out that we now need to concentrate on normative
    changes. Editorial changes can wait.

    action-423?

    <trackbot> ACTION-423 -- Felix Sasaki to do edits for issue-113
    -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [50]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/423

      [50] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/423

    <daveL_>
    [51]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/113

      [51] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/113

    Felix suggests giving this to Yves (not on call).

    action-424?

    <trackbot> ACTION-424 -- Arle Lommel to fix section 8.9 note:
    "since the extra training resources does not justify the
    improvement in the output." -> "since the extra training
    resources do not justify the improvement in the output." -- due
    2013-01-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [52]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/424

      [52] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/424

    leave with Arle

    action-426?

    <trackbot> ACTION-426 -- Arle Lommel to create an indicator for
    poster relations -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [53]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/426

      [53] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/426

    DaveL sent out something on this earlier today.

    Wait until reactions.

    action428?

    were going to have separate page, but now want people to update
    their links on their use pages

    <fsasaki>
    [54]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use
    _cases_-_high_level_summary

      [54] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary

    asks ChristianL to check other links to see if up-to-date
    (implementations of use cases)

    action-429?

    <trackbot> ACTION-429 -- Felix Sasaki to check xliff ITS
    mapping namespace hosting in w3c -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [55]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/429

      [55] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/429

    Felix says not urgent for its spec

    can wait

    action430?

    action-430?

    <trackbot> ACTION-430 -- Shaun McCance to draft text explaining
    importance of Unicode normalization and best practices on
    ISSUE-67 -- due 2013-02-04 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [56]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
    tions/430

      [56] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/430

    <scribe> ongoing

    Christian asks to spend 2 min on high level use cases

    Christian recommends that we will benefit if using some sort of
    template for examples.

    Christian says has largely been done, but sees one discrepancy

    is referring to 3rd part in each section template

    <chriLi> More Information and Implementation Status/Issues

    <chriLi> Detailed slides at , Running software, ....

    in some sections we have detail slides and running software and
    source code (not in other?)

    <chriLi>
    [57]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use
    _cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation

      [57] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation

    should we have guidance that each and every implementor be
    required to do this?

    is this appropriate information to have in a note?

    DaveL suggests that one option is NOT to have it in.

    ChristianL responds that at this point in time this info is
    very useful.

    But, ChristianL says he sees how some of this info can become
    "stale" over time and thus sees not have it in formal note

    felix suggests leaving a working draft that, before the WG
    closes later this year that can be updated later

    <daveL_> ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case
    writer to include linked to further information and working
    prototpyes [recorded in
    [58]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Send mail instructing use case
    writer to include linked to further information and working
    prototpyes [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-20].

    DaveL asks felix whether there is anything else to take over

    <daveL_> olaf made point that flights and hotel in rome are
    going quickly

    felix asks whether to skip Monday call

    DaveL suggests that there are issues for Monday. (Tadej and
    Christian to report.) DaveL will chair again.

    Felix indicates that there will be NO merging of
    datacategories, only levels dropped

    Felix thinks that the name changes can also be accepted as
    non-normative.

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case writer
    to include linked to further information and working prototpyes
    [recorded in
    [59]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]

    [End of minutes]
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