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Re: issue-51 too many global rules

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:04:34 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czqJfniKp0-YDRR_7MxrSkppUZ3fVJcTd0mkBU_DGh10KQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
2012/10/23 Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>

> Yes, I was going to comment on this :)****
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> Without at least a way to point to an attribute that has a reference to
> the stand-off markup, we cannot map (meaningfully) any data category used
> with stand-off markup in formats that can’t use an ITS attribute (like
> XLIFF 2.0). Note that we don’t necessarily need to have pointers for all
> attributes, just for the attribute used as a reference. So, for example
> Localization Quality Issue could have a global rule made of only a selector
> and locQualityIssuesRefPointer (I think).
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So that means we need only the standoff markup pointer rules, and no other
pointer attributes from the XLIFF point of view?


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> Note also that removing global rules means we can’t apply the data
> category to attributes as well.****
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> I don’t see that has a big issue for me, but it would be sad to see
> someone coming back 2 months from now complaining that MT Confidence or
> Disambiguation, etc. can’t be used on any HTML5 attributes :)
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I'm ok to take the risk :)

Here it would be interesting to have some data: have you written and used
in ITS 1.0 "real life" global rules that add information *without fixed
values* to attributes or elements? The discussion about dropping global
rules started with an example of localization note
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Sep/0138.html

Felix



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> -yves****
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> *From:* Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:38 AM
> *To:* Pablo Nieto Caride
> *Cc:* Jirka Kosek; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: issue-51 too many global rules****
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> Thanks for the feedback, Pablo and Jirka. I realized that I had forgotten
> another proposal: keep only pointer attributes, see option 1) at****
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> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0042.html
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> XLIFF mapping guys, is this feature needed for the XLIFF mapping? So do we
> need to keep the pointing facilities of global rules? ****
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> Best,****
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> Felix****
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> 2012/10/23 Pablo Nieto Caride <pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com>****
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> I'm in favour too!
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Jirka Kosek [mailto:jirka@kosek.cz]
> Enviado el: martes, 23 de octubre de 2012 13:54
> Para: Felix Sasaki
> CC: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> Asunto: Re: issue-51 too many global rules****
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> On 23.10.2012 12:33, Felix Sasaki wrote:
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> > the "too many global rules" thread got lost since two weeks ago. Given
> > that there was no input on my last mail I would continue to propose to
> > drop global rules, as described at
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/
> > 0021.html
> > Any thoughts?
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> I will break silence by saying:
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> +1
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Felix Sasaki
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