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RE: Provenance examples (Re: [Minutes] editing call 2012-11-27 ...)

From: Pablo Nieto Caride <pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:02:14 +0100
To: "'Dave Lewis'" <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>, "'Multilingual Web LT Public List'" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1a3001cdceea$2778a6e0$7669f4a0$@linguaserve.com>

Hi Felix,

I agree with Dave that since provRef points to external provenance descriptions that can be anything, there's no need for a revProvRef attribute.

Cheers,
Pablo.

Hi Felix,
You are right that provRef is not tied to any specific activity, i.e. to translation or translation provision. This is because when pointing to a W3C PROV record, these are self-describing in terms of processes that have been performed, and we'd expect other external record to be similar.

We fixed this in the example in today's editing session, i.e. changed revProvRef to just provRef


Regards,
Dave

p.s. there's a follow-up action ACTION-339, which I'll mail out separately.

On 28/11/2012 07:01, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Hi Yves, all,
>
> in your description below you mention revProvRef, and there are there 
> is a refProvRef attribute in
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-provenance-local-1 
>
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-provenance-html5-local-2 
>
> and the ref-prov-ref counterpart for HTML5 in
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-provenance-html5-local-1 
>
>
> However, the attribute definition
> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#provenance-local 
>
> just has "provRef". There is no "revision" specific version of this 
> attribute. I think the rationale is that "provRef" (or prov-ref) point 
> to external provenance descriptions which can be anything: describing 
> intital translation, revision, ...
>
> Provenance masters, can you clarify? We then would need to change the 
> examples I think.
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> Am 27.11.12 19:32, schrieb Yves Savourel:
>> Hi Felix, Dave, all,
>>
>>> Yves will make an update to the provenance section, probably also 
>>> taking
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0218.html 
>>>
>>> into account, and send it to the list.
>> All the pointers (but one) have been removed from Provenance and the 
>> examples have been updated.
>>
>> I've noted a few things:
>>
>> -- Several of the example had things like this: 
>> provRef="http://www.examplelsp.com/excontent987/legal/prov/e6354 
>> http://www.vistatec.com/job-12-7-15-X31/reviewed/prov/re8573469". 
>> i.e. provRef or refProvRef with several IRIs, I assume this was 
>> copy/paste error or, in other cases, it needed to be split into 
>> provRef and revProvRef.
>>
>> -- We had a few occurrences of 'ref' attributes, I assumed that was 
>> meant to be provRef (or revProvRef depending on the cases).
>>
>> Please make sure to review the examples.
>>
>> Hopefully once Jirka is done with the schema we can have the examples 
>> automatically validated on build.
>>
>> cheers,
>> -yves
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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