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Re: [ACTION-256]: Compile and circulate itsTool examples togehter with proposal text

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:54:12 +0100
Message-ID: <CAL58czqSJ4JTA1-FZz=pjSm2LCsUUyMPJnbDB8cWk2q8on62WQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>, "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
2012/11/7 Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>

>  Hi Felix,
> Yes, the URI pointer work in most cases, but this is to address the case
> where we want to embed the target of the pointer in the file (based on the
> case linguaserv brought up in Lyon, where they may be able to ammend file
> but can add new ones to a client's CMS, so it problematic to mandate an
> external file only) and it is HTML file, so a simple element fragment URI
> won't work.
>

Why?


>
> We are also, I guess, trying to make the solution a similar as possible to
> the stand-off markup case to ease implementation.
>


That means that we require the "end" of the URI to be XML. I would oppose
to that. Either we say "anything can be on the other end of the URI", or
we speciy what is here. About the Linguaserve case: as Jirka noted, we can
leave that use case implementation defined - it would simplify a lot about
the HTML processing.

Best,

Felix


>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/11/2012 11:26, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, all,
>
> apologies, I'm behind things. I thought we'd agreed at the f2f meeting
> that there is just an URI pointing to tool information, nothing else. See
> http://www.w3.org/2012/11/02-mlw-lt-minutes.html
>
> [
>
> Felix: You could have a seperate script element for each standoff item.
>
>  pitty Yves cannot be on the phone. He has raised concerns: anything
> possible, tool with element it in, or define a schema. There is a drawback
> that you restrict people to xml processing, what about the case of RDF or
> audio. Does everyone who needs the element need XML?
> ...
>
> <fsasaki> "Disambiguation|file:///tools.xml#T2" > "Disambiguation|
> http://enrycher.com/v1.2/language-en"
>
> Felix: Paste proposal into chat, from Yves, this URI itself is just a
> URI, no further information, self-contained in the URL. This tool is X, in
> Lang Y, in the URL where each tool can create the tool itself. But in a
> large document this is the list of annotation with URI = tool1, URI =
> tool2. Dont restrict the URI being retrieved and XML removes this
> restriction.
>
> Dave Lewis: Naoto has interest in this.
>
>  any other comments else I'll take this on board, update text, get
> feedback from Tadej and Yves. Try to update and send off today (2nd Nov).
> Tadej: I like felix's suggestion on URI encoding. All people will not be
> able to encode in a common format but good to provide best-practices.
> ]
>
> So why do we discuss the toolinfo element and id resolution in "script" at
> all?
>
> Sorry for the additional loop,
>
> Felix
>
>  2012/11/7 Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
>
>> Hi Jirka,
>> Thanks for that.
>>
>> So to check, does the solution suggested by Yves, i.e. reflecting the
>> toolInfo id in the script id,
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0019.html
>> and only having one toolInfo element per script as discussed in.
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0038.html
>> solve this problem?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 05/11/2012 15:59, Jirka Kosek wrote:
>>
>>> On 2.11.2012 14:29, Dave Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>>  For HTML this works when the tool info is external to the file. However,
>>>> it doesn't work when the tool information is held with the file. Here we
>>>> could use the XML in htm:script element solution that we use for mark-up
>>>> in some of the data categories (e.g. Quality Issue). In this case we
>>>> would need to specify in the spec the element type the IRI refers to.
>>>>
>>>> So we would need the following wording:
>>>> "Where the IRI in not used in a its:toolRefs attribute in an XML
>>>> document or not for pointing to an external resource in a its-tool-refs
>>>> attributed in a HTML document, then it MUST refer to a its:toolInfo
>>>> element."
>>>>
>>> This is not technically possible. In HTML its:toolInfo inside <script>
>>> element and is not exposed as a markup, it's just plain text inside
>>> <script> which doesn't have ID and can't be directly addressed.
>>>
>>>                         Jirka
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>
>
>
>


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Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow
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