- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:00:46 +0200
- To: public-mlw-workshop <public-mlw-workshop@w3.org>
- Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
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Dear all, below is a small update of the "sessions vs. issues" list. Also, FYI, the working group participants have created a list of implementation proposals, see http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Requirements#Implementation_Proposals Not all data categories that are mentioned in that list will eventually be part of the ITS 2.0 standard. So far, there is only a small list of data categories that has consensus, see http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Requirements#Current_List_of_Data_Categories_with_Consensus_to_be_part_of_ITS_2.0 We very much look forward for you feedback in Dublin on how to stabilize and potentially enlarge that list. Best regards and see you soon, Felix ================================================================================================== ----------------------------- TUESDAY 12 JUNE ----------------------------- 10:00 REPRESENTATION FORMATS: HTML, XML, RDFA ETC. Related issues: - "microdata mapping for our metadata for HTML5" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/2 Topic: how should the metadata be represented in HTML5? Our conclusion is given in the "Implementation approach" section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Implementation_Approach - "Elements or attributes" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/17 Topic: whether HTML elements or attributes should be used for representing the metadata. Conclusion: attributes, see the "implementation approach" section above. - "HTML legacy content" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/19 Topic: should the metadata also be applicable for other HTML versions than HTML5? Open issue. - "Using ITS globally in HTML5" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/20 Topic: how to use "ITS global rules" in HTML5. Proposed solution see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0128.html Issue is pending review. - "Dropping RDFa as a requirement" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/18 Topic: should we develop also an RDFa serialization of the metadata? Conclusion: we will - the serialization will be generated automatically from the HTML5 attributes, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Implementation_Approach 11:15 QUALITY METADATA Related issues: none. See the related sections in the requirements document http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Quality http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Quality_Assurance_.28QA.29 12:00 TERMINOLOGY METADATA Related section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Terminology Related issues: - "What ontology should describe the metadata values (entity types)?" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/3 Topic: should we refer to predefined entity types like http://nerd.eurecom.fr/ontology or schema.org for (automatically identified) named entities or terms? No agreement yet. Current proposal: have pointers to existing ontologies, e.g. a pointer to wordnet. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0181.html A consumer of such metadata is described at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jun/0011.html - "Delete genre, purpose and register data category proposals" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/11 Topic: delete above data categories since interoperable list of values are hard to define. Conclusion: none so far: see summary of discussion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0165.html 13:45 UPDATING ITS 1.0 Related section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Support_ITS_1.0_Data_Categories Related issues: - "Use of XPath 2.0" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/7 Topic: ITS 1.0 says that ITS global rules allow for using XPath 1.0 or its successor. Proposal: change this to require only support for XPath 1.0, and add queryLanguage attribute for other XPath versions; see also description at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Requirements#Support_ITS_1.0_Data_Categories - "Parameter for rules" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/16 Topic: should ITS global rules have a parameter mechanism? See example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jun/0007.html and a proposed workflow how to achieve this at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jun/0013.html 14:30 CONTENT AUTHORING REQUIREMENTS Related issues: - "Elements or attributes", see "Representation formats" session above. - "CMS related terminology: not only CMS as content" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/21 Topic: need to clarify that CMS authored content is *one* type of content, others (e.g. XML documents, plain HTML5) is relevant too. Conclusion: clarified in the draft. - "Low level API to access CMS content" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/1 Topic: do we need to define a low level API to access CMS content? Conclusion: needed for a specific implementation, but not in general. Issue is open since a specific implementation (Drupal based) is under development. - See also "process state" issue described for Wednesday 9:15 slot below. 16:00 LOCALIZATION REQUIREMENTS Related issues: - "id granularity and maintenance requirements and rules" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/9 Topic: need to clarify requirements for ID values (e.g. uniqueness in one document and different versions of the document) in localization scenarios. Is there a need for a localization process specific ID attribute, see e.g. the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0019.html - "Definition of target pointer and why it is needed" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/15 Topic: "target pointer" proposal http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Requirements#targetPointer: a mechanism for documents with two or more language versions of the same text. The mechanism could be used to point to (translated) target. Main discussion point: is this mechanism really needed? See this thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/thread#msg39 17:00 BCP 47 DEVELOPMENTS Related issues: - "Language versus locale" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/10 Topic: what type of identifier to use for language and locale? Conclusion: use BCP 47 identifier for language, and a BCP 47 / UTR 35 based identifier for locale; see http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Identification_of_Language_and_Locale - BCP 47 "t" extension has a similar purpose compared to mTranslate or hTranslate at http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Process_Model: indicate or trigger a (certain kind of) translation process. There needs to be some guidance about the relation between the two approaches. ----------------------------------- WEDNESDAY 13 JUNE ----------------------------------- 9:15 PROJECT INFORMATION METADATA Related section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Project_Information Related issues: - "Process state" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/6 Topic: define a shared set of process names. See the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Apr/0005.html Conclusion: none so far. - "Delete genre, purpose and register data category proposals". See description for "terminology metadata slot Tuesday 12:00. 11:00 TRANSLATION PROCESS METADATA Related section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Process_Model Related issues: - "Process trigger" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/14 Topic: a separate data category for triggering processes. Closed by the "process model" definitions in the section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Process_Model - "Cache data category needed and how?" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/13 Topic: metadata to identify content that should be cached for iterations of translations. See example at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0155.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/att-0155/image002.jpg 13:00 PROVENANCE Related section http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Provenance Related issues: - "Provenance and agents" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/22 Topic: should verbose provenance records be offline or inline? 13:45 TRANSLATION METADATA Related sections http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Translation http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its2req-20120524/#Internationalization Related issues: - "Create a (Sentence) Segmentation Markup System compatible with the proposed Unicode segmentation characters" https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/12 Topic: is there a need for a segmentation marker in ITS 2.0? Current state: on hold until the topic is discussed in the Unicode ULI TC, which is discussing the creation of a segmentation character. ================================================================================================== -- Felix Sasaki DFKI / W3C Fellow
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