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Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD

From: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:34:48 +0100
Cc: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>, public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
Message-Id: <FDD4014E-5C81-4319-8FAF-929C828E4B2C@gmail.com>
To: "Lieske, Christian" <christian.lieske@sap.com>
Thanks Christian,

Good point about an example. We'll have to discuss this in Prague.

However, with regard to EN-15038, it is out of scope since it describes general process requirements for service providers and is completely agnostic as to the quality assessment methods used. TS-11669 describes details about the expectations that can (admittedly, somewhat indirectly) be turned into actual metrics, and has a slot that can point as well to information on metrics. Thus is it much more clearly (at least to me) in scope than EN-15038, which I see as completely out of scope since there is no way to go from EN-15038 to any sort of quality issue markup: the two are separate issues.

-Arle

On 2013 Jan 21, at 10:19 , "Lieske, Christian" <christian.lieske@sap.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I would benefit from seeing a specific example of how to use ISO/TS-11669 in the context of itsLocQualityProfileRef. From my understanding, ISO/TS-11669 is "Translation Project Guidance". itsLocQualityProfileRef according to the ITS 2.0 draft is a reference to a "quality assessment model".
> 
> Best regards,
> Christian
> 
> Aside: If  ISO/TS-11669 is mentioned, wouldn't  EN 15038 "Translation Service Requirements" also need to be mentioned?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] 
> Sent: Samstag, 19. Januar 2013 19:02
> To: Arle Lommel
> Cc: Lieske, Christian; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD
> 
> Hi Arle, all,
> 
> it's OK to add non-normative text; however there needs to be agreement 
> in the group that this addition is ok. All, if you have concerns, please 
> speak up in this thread.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Felix
> 
> Am 18.01.13 15:45, schrieb Arle Lommel:
>> Not entirely. It's already there, but we don't define what the content at the other end of the pointer is. So the suggestion was to add non-normative text about one kind of thing it might be. So no, I'm not talking about introducing anything new.
>> 
>> -Arle
>> 
>> On 2013 Jan 18, at 15:43 , "Lieske, Christian" <christian.lieske@sap.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Arle,
>>> 
>>> If I understand correctly, you are suggesting to introduce its-loc-quality-profile-ref in the spec. Is this understanding correct?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Christian
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@gmail.com>
>>> To: "public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org>
>>> Cc: alan melby <alan.melby@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We could also state that the object pointed to by its-loc-quality-profile-ref (currently undefined) can be a set of ISO/TS-11669-compliant specifications. Since that leaves other options open, it doesn't make any normative change to the specification.
>>> 
>>> -Arle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013 Jan 15, at 12:29 , Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> A few notes on the quality sections:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1. There is a minor typo in the listing of quality categories (in part I wrote, no less).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A professzor azt modta Smithnek, hogy he would hear from his lawyer.
>>>> 
>>>> Should read
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A professzor azt mondta Smithnek, hogy he would hear from his lawyer.
>>>>> 
>>>> 2. Section 8.17.1 should mention that a determination of what issue categories are appropriate for consideration depends on the nature of the project and that for more information on setting project specifications, readers may consult ISO/TS-11669. This reference is non-normative, but it is essential to show that the ITS 2.0 quality model is related to broader standards-based trends in this area. This will also add ISO/TS-11669 to the list of references.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I will work on the needed text in the next few days and submit it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Arle
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>>> <html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt">Allowing for a link to ISO/TS-11669-compliant specifications, leaving other options open, would be a good start, and enough for ITS 2.0.<br><br>AKM<br><br>= = =<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Arle Lommel &lt;arle.lommel@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org" &lt;public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org&gt; <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> alan melby &lt;alan.melby@gmail.com&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
>>> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:55 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD<br> </font> </div> <br>
>>> <meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv781717750"><div>We could also state that the object pointed to by its-loc-quality-profile-ref (currently undefined) can be a set of ISO/TS-11669-compliant specifications. Since that leaves other options open, it doesn't make any normative change to the specification.<div><br></div><div>-Arle<br><div>
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>>> <br><div><div>On 2013 Jan 15, at 12:29 , Arle Lommel &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arle.lommel@dfki.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:arle.lommel@dfki.de">arle.lommel@dfki.de</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="yiv781717750Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>A few notes on the quality sections:</div><div><br></div><div>1. There is a minor typo in the listing of quality categories (in part I wrote, no less).</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">A professzor azt modta Smithnek, hogy he would hear from his lawyer.</span></blockquote><font face="sans-serif"><br></font><div><font face="sans-serif">Should read</font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div><span
>>> style="font-family:sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">A professzor azt <b>mondta</b> Smithnek, hogy he would hear from his lawyer.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div></blockquote><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif">2. Section 8.17.1 should mention that a determination of what issue categories are appropriate for consideration depends on the nature of the project and that for more information on setting project specifications, readers may consult ISO/TS-11669. This reference is non-normative, but it is essential to show that the ITS 2.0 quality model is related to broader standards-based trends in this area. This will also add ISO/TS-11669 to the list of references.</font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif">I will work on the needed text in the next few days and submit
>>> it.</font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif">Best,</font></div><div><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif">Arle</font></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="on"><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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