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Re: [ISSUE-86][ACTION-408] normative text in notes and formatting normative keywords

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:44:21 +0200
Message-ID: <515BEBE5.5030009@w3.org>
To: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
CC: public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
Hi Dave, all,

Am 03.04.13 00:58, schrieb Dave Lewis:
> Hi Felix,
> Comments below:
> On 02/04/2013 17:42, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>> Hi Dave, all,
>>
>> the keywords are in upper case and are always linked to the rfc 2119 
>> reference, so I would propose not to change the text passages. We 
>> could make that casing and linking clearer at
>> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#notation
>> Also to save some time. What do you think?
>>
>
> That sounds fine to me. So I can confirm to Richard in repsonse to his 
> original query that only use of keyword with rfc2119 linkage are 
> considered normative.

I think you don't have to get back to Richard about this one - I already 
did at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Mar/0035.html
that should be sufficient.

Some comments about the 'musts' and 'shoulds' below. Wrt 'recommended', 
I would not add linkage.

>
> However, it would be good to check also whether the following use of 
> the keyword in normative sections actually need to be in bold with the 
> linkage.
>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
>
>>
>>> While doing this I also found the following occurances of unadorned 
>>> rfc2119 keywords (underlined below) that seemed to be used in a 
>>> normative way in normative sections. Editorially, should these be 
>>> made rfc2119 annotated 'MUST' etc?
>>>
>>> Also, section 6 (using ITS markup in HTML) and 7 (Using ITS Markup 
>>> in XHTML) are marked as neither normative or informative (I presume 
>>> it is the former).
>>>
>>>
>>>       3.1 Notation
>>>
>>> It is _recommended_ that XML implementations of this specification 
>>> use this prefix, unless there is existing dedicated markup in use 
>>> for a given data category.
>>>
>>>
>>>           5.3.2.1 Absolute selector
>>>
>>> The absolute selectorMUST 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc-keywords>be 
>>> an XPath expression which starts with "|/|". That is, it _must_
>>>

Wouldn't change to MUST since we don't check this - it is the XPath 
library that does.

>>> be anAbsoluteLocationPath 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath/#NT-AbsoluteLocationPath>or union 
>>> ofAbsoluteLocationPath 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath/#NT-AbsoluteLocationPath>s as described 
>>> inXPath 1.0 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#xpath>.
>>>
>>>
>>>         5.3.5 Variables in selectors
>>>
>>>
>>>         The|param|element has a _required _name attribute.
>>>
>>>
>>>         5.4 Link to External Rules
>>>
>>> One way to associate a document with a set of external ITS rules is 
>>> to use the optional XLink[XLink 1.1] 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#xlink1>|href|attribute 
>>> in the|rules|element. The referenced document _must_ be a valid XML 
>>> document containing at most one|rules|element.
>>>

Wouldn't change to must since we don't validate the document. We can't, 
since we don't know the schema of the linked doc.

>>>
>>>       5.8 ITS Tools Annotation
>>>
>>> has three unadorned '_shoulds_'

Same here, we can't really check things like
"The annotatorsRef attribute should identify the tool most useful in 
further processes, in this case the MT engine."

>>>
>>>         8.3.1 Definition
>>>
>>> Two types of informative notes are needed:
>>>
>>>  *
>>>
>>>     An alert contains information that the translator _must_ read
>>>     before translating a piece of text.
>>>

Would not change this to MUST since we can't check this really.

So in summary I wouldn't change these since, see also the issue-112 
about localization quality types and the related edits at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0200.html

Best,

Felix

>>>  *
>>>
>>>
>>>         8.17.1 Definition
>>>
>>> '_recommended_' in notes colum for profile refernece attribute
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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