- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:32:02 -0500
- To: MATF <public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11 Feb 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/11-mobile-a11y-irc
Attendees
Present
Alistair, Chrism, David, JF, Jatin, Kim, alan, jeanne,
jon_avila
Regrets
Jan, Marc, Henny
Chair
Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
jeanne
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11
y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html
2. [5]Continue through SC's -
https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and
-pointer
* [6]Summary of Action Items
* [7]Summary of Resolutions
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<Kim> clear agenda
<scribe> scribe: jeanne
Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan
[8]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb
/0008.html
[8] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html
github version:
[9]http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
[9] http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
<David> can you drop it in again
<David> I just got in
[10]https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension
[10] https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension
<Kim>
[11]http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
[11] http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
<Kim>
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
<Kim>
[13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Dev
elopment_Assignments
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
KP: introduces where work is stored
<alan_smith> Request for link to scribe instructions that I
lost as I changed jobs.
Group home page: [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/
RESOLUTION: Accept updates to the FM001 Failure of 2.5.3
Continue through SC's -
[15]https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
[15] https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
<David> An web page has
KP: We have worked on touch target size last week.
2.5.4 was finished last week
Looking at 2.5.5
Device manipulation
AG: Is that shaking the device? Is there a definition for
device manipulation?
AS: I am also concerned at the choice of words. SOme devices
have a stylus, where the main control is not a gesture.
... when "device interaction is required" is what I am thinking
about.
DM: If there are any physical manipulation that are beyond
touch and keyboard, there must be a touch and keyboard
alternative. For example, a shaking gesture might be impossible
for someone with a chair mounted device. They need another
touch or keyboard means of interacting.
AG: maybe instead of device manipulation maybe we should use
motion control. We are using the device as a motion controller.
Shaking, tilt, roll, thrust, wave
CM: I can wave at the camera.
AS: Voice input as well.
<jon_avila> what about other device manipluation such as the
mute button
KP: there are other sounds as well.
<jon_avila> It's much more than just movement
JF: We have the technology today that is gesture in front of
the camera.
DM: I think we should break them into broad categories --
CM: We need a broad term and then specific techniques
DM: Gestures are too specific a term.
JF: If everyone on the call recognizes "device manipulation",
then just define it and use the term.
AG: I think "physical device manipulation"
<jon_avila> Article about different types of
interactions/manipulations
[16]http://uwdata.github.io/hcid520/readings/Hinckley-SensingMo
bile.pdf
[16] http://uwdata.github.io/hcid520/readings/Hinckley-SensingMobile.pdf
DM: manipulation is physical.
AG: We need to separate out the touch aspect.
<David> Definition of manjipulation : to move or control
(something) with your hands or by using a machine
<David>
[17]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate
[17] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate
<jon_avila> holding, proximity, touch, voice, walking, shaking,
looking at, angle of holding, etc.
AG: We may have to say that visual is different and covered in
a different section. Voice input is different and covered in a
different section
DM: We haven't talked about holding your hand to the camera is
another area that we need to work in.
KP: We are talking about physical movement of the phone for
this SC.
DM: It would be a different success criterion for visual and
voice input.
KP: Physical, visual to the camera, voice to the microphone.
<jon_avila> Are device buttons covered here or somewhere else?
AG: It is interaction with the phone without using the screen.
DM: Would we also want to include GPS as another issue? I think
that is independent of the user.
... I think we should not address the issues of how the device
operates without interaction with the user (GPS, accelerometer,
etc)
<JF> +1
JS: I think we should capture the issues with input, and addres
them later, and we should focus on finishing 2.5 Touch.
<David> David: want to distinguish between the device
relationship to the person, and the device relationship to the
evnironment. Mike, camera and shaking are related to the
person, whereas GPS, accelerator, height measurement etc are
the devices relationship to the environment.
CM: Then device manipulation doesn't belong under touch.
<David> David: I think we need to address the device
relationship to person, but not device relationship to
environment.
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [18]Accept updates to the FM001 Failure of 2.5.3
[End of minutes]
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