Re: minutes of 2010-12-08 teleconference

Hi Davy, hi Raphaël,

I have sent my regrets privately to Raphaël on Tuesday, so if you
could add that fact to the minutes, that'd be nice :-) I'll send
regrets to the mailing list in the future, this seems to be the right
way to do that, correct?

Cheers,
Tom

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 07:51, Davy Van Deursen <davy.vandeursen@ugent.be> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the minutes of yesterday's phone conf are available for review at http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html and in text
> format below.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Davy
>
> ------
>   [1]W3C
>
>      [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>             Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
>
> 08 Dec 2010
>
>   [2]Agenda
>
>      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0010.html
>
>   See also: [3]IRC log
>
>      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>   Present
>          Erik, Davy, Raphael, Yves, foolip_(irc)
>
>   Regrets
>          Silvia
>
>   Chair
>          Erik, Raphael
>
>   Scribe
>          Davy
>
> Contents
>
>     * [4]Topics
>         1. [5]ADMIN
>         2. [6]MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION
>         3. [7]HTML5 BUG
>         4. [8]LC COMMENTS
>         5. [9]OPEN ISSUES
>         6. [10]TEST CASES
>         7. [11]AOB
>     * [12]Summary of Action Items
>     _________________________________________________________
>
>   <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2010
>
>   <raphael> Scribe: Davy
>
>   <raphael> scribenick: davy
>
> ADMIN
>
>   <raphael> [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html
>
>     [13] http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html
>
>   +1
>
>   <raphael> +1
>
>   <Yves> +1
>
>   minutes accepted
>
> MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION
>
>   raphael: action 199 and 200 will be finished today
>   ... related to issue-19
>   ... mail will be sent out today
>
>   Action-191?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-191 -- Yves Lafon to update the production rules
>   of the time dimension with the npt format for making the hours
>   optional -- due 2010-11-08 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191
>
>     [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191
>
>   Yves: did the code, I'm working on the spec right now
>
> HTML5 BUG
>
>   <raphael> ACTION-202?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-202 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that
>   the group will propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media
>   fragment URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202
>
>     [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202
>
>   <raphael> See text at
>   [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010De
>   c/0009.html
>
>     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0009.html
>
>   <raphael> Raphael: do you have comments on this text?
>
>   <raphael> ... my only comment is whether we should further detail
>   how temporal media fragments can work, with our without server help
>
>   <raphael> .. depending on the container format
>
>   <raphael> ... should we go into this level of details
>
>   <davy_> raphael: when no controls are specified in <video>
>
>   <davy_> ... the rendering is like the ?-approach
>
>   <davy_> raphael: is the text of silvia sufficient?
>
>   <davy_> ... and reopen the bug with this text
>
>   <davy_> Yves: nothing against it
>
>   <davy_> close action-202
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-202 Draft the paragraph that the group will
>   propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment URI
>   should be done closed
>
>   <davy_> ACTION: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
>   mailinglist [recorded in
>   [17]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Send the MF clarification text to
>   the HTML mailinglist [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-12-15].
>
>   <raphael> Raphael: both whatwh and w3c mailing lists
>
>   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker
>   [recorded in
>   [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug
>   tracker [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].
>
> LC COMMENTS
>
>   <davy_> raphael: action 196 will be done today
>
> OPEN ISSUES
>
>   <davy_> close action-191
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-191 Update the production rules of the time
>   dimension with the npt format for making the hours optional closed
>
>   <raphael> List of open issues:
>   [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open
>
>     [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open
>
>   <Yves> done
>
>   <raphael>
>   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open
>
>     [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open
>
>   <davy_> raphael: Issue-19 is taken care of
>
>   <davy_> raphael: difference between issue-13 and 20?
>
>   <davy_> no difference -> close issue 13
>
>   <davy_> close ISSUE-13
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-13 Write a IETF draft for proposing how to register
>   the fragment scheme for all media types closed
>
>   <davy_> issue-18?
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP processing of Media Fragments URI --
>   open
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18
>
>     [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18
>
>   <davy_> raphael: should we include this in the spec or not?
>
>   <davy_> yves: if we do that, we probably need another LC
>
>   <davy_> raphael: alternative could be putting this into an annex
>
>   <davy_> ... informative status
>
>   <davy_> Yves: better would be in another document (a note)
>
>   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
>   will be discussed in a separate note [recorded in
>   [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Setup a poll regarding the fact that
>   RTSP will be discussed in a separate note [on Raphaël Troncy - due
>   2010-12-15].
>
>   <davy_> Issue-17?
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Media Fragment track names and IRIs -- open
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17
>
>     [23] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17
>
>   <davy_> Yves: or we close it because we don't know how to handle
>   IRIs
>
>   <davy_> ... or we continue discussions
>
>   <raphael> reading the thread starting at
>   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/
>   0149.html
>
>     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html
>
>   <davy_> raphael: I18N recommends us to use IRI as reference
>
>   <raphael> Key message:
>   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/
>   0153.html
>
>     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html
>
>   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf
>   next week [recorded in
>   [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Ask today who will make it to the
>   teleconf next week [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].
>
>   <davy_> close action-208
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-208 Ask today who will make it to the teleconf
>   next week closed
>
>   <raphael> Raphael: both Erik and Davy cannot make next week telecon
>
>   <davy_> raphael: we will organize early in January a teleconf with
>   everybody, joined by Addison Philips
>
>   <davy_> Issue-10?
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Media Fragments Test Case Maintenance -- open
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10
>
>     [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10
>
>   <davy_> raphael: related to test cases
>
>   <davy_> issue-9?
>
>   <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should we have the media type inside the Test
>   Cases? -- open
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
>
>     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
>
>   <davy_> raphael: also related to test cases, we can ignore them for
>   transitioning
>
> TEST CASES
>
>   <davy_> Action-167?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-167 -- Erik Mannens to find licence free movies
>   for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and
>   the creative commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
>
>     [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
>
>   <davy_> raphael: fine to use elephants dream and big bug bunny
>   sequences
>
>   <davy_> ... so we can use these media resources in our demos and
>   examples in the spec
>
>   <raphael> Movies to use:
>
>   <raphael> Sintel, [30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
>
>     [30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
>
>   <raphael> ... longer version,
>   [31]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
>
>     [31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
>
>   <raphael> Big Bunny, [32]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
>
>     [32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
>
>   <raphael> The Elephant Dreams
>
>   <davy_> close action-167
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-167 Find licence free movies for the automatic
>   test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative
>   commons closed
>
>   <davy_> action-168?
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Davy Van Deursen to investigate how the
>   automatic test suite could also be done for evaluating the UA
>   behavior -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>
>   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168
>
>     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168
>
> AOB
>
>   <raphael> Raphael: presentation of test cases handling by Davy
>   during the face to face meeting,
>   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2
>   f_lyon/
>
>     [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2f_lyon/
>
>   <raphael> Raphael: we have an exhaustive list of test cases for the
>   time dimension on the wiki
>
>   <raphael> ... which has been reviewed by Conrad, Silvia, Jack and
>   Philip
>
>   <raphael>
>   [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
>
>     [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
>
>   <raphael> Davy: I'm happy to convert the information in the wiki
>   into a RDF file
>
>   <raphael> ... this RDF file can then be the input of our test
>   validation framework
>
>   <davy_> close action-168
>
>   <trackbot> ACTION-168 Investigate how the automatic test suite could
>   also be done for evaluating the UA behavior closed
>
>   <davy_> ACTION: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version
>   [recorded in
>   [36]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
>
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF
>   version [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2010-12-15].
>
>   <davy_> [adjourned]
>
>   <raphael>
>   [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
>
>     [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
>
>   <raphael>
>   s/[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimensi
>   on//
>
>     [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension//
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>   [NEW] ACTION: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version
>   [recorded in
>   [39]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
>   [NEW] ACTION: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
>   mailinglist [recorded in
>   [40]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
>   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf
>   next week [recorded in
>   [41]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
>   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker
>   [recorded in
>   [42]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
>   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
>   will be discussed in a separate note [recorded in
>   [43]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
>
>   [End of minutes]
>     _________________________________________________________
>
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> --
> Davy Van Deursen
>
> Ghent University - IBBT
> Department of Electronics and Information Systems - Multimedia Lab
> URL: http://multimedialab.elis.ugent.be/dvdeurse
>
>
>
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