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From: Davy Van Deursen <davy.vandeursen@ugent.be>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:51:59 +0100
To: "Media Fragments Working Group WG" <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000601cb976d$940ef9f0$bc2cedd0$@ugent.be>
Hi all,

the minutes of yesterday's phone conf are available for review at http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html and in text
format below.

Best regards,

Davy

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference

08 Dec 2010

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0010.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Erik, Davy, Raphael, Yves, foolip_(irc)

   Regrets
          Silvia

   Chair
          Erik, Raphael

   Scribe
          Davy

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]ADMIN
         2. [6]MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION
         3. [7]HTML5 BUG
         4. [8]LC COMMENTS
         5. [9]OPEN ISSUES
         6. [10]TEST CASES
         7. [11]AOB
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2010

   <raphael> Scribe: Davy

   <raphael> scribenick: davy

ADMIN

   <raphael> [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html

   +1

   <raphael> +1

   <Yves> +1

   minutes accepted

MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION

   raphael: action 199 and 200 will be finished today
   ... related to issue-19
   ... mail will be sent out today

   Action-191?

   <trackbot> ACTION-191 -- Yves Lafon to update the production rules
   of the time dimension with the npt format for making the hours
   optional -- due 2010-11-08 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191

   Yves: did the code, I'm working on the spec right now

HTML5 BUG

   <raphael> ACTION-202?

   <trackbot> ACTION-202 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that
   the group will propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media
   fragment URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202

   <raphael> See text at
   [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010De
   c/0009.html

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0009.html

   <raphael> Raphael: do you have comments on this text?

   <raphael> ... my only comment is whether we should further detail
   how temporal media fragments can work, with our without server help

   <raphael> .. depending on the container format

   <raphael> ... should we go into this level of details

   <davy_> raphael: when no controls are specified in <video>

   <davy_> ... the rendering is like the ?-approach

   <davy_> raphael: is the text of silvia sufficient?

   <davy_> ... and reopen the bug with this text

   <davy_> Yves: nothing against it

   <davy_> close action-202

   <trackbot> ACTION-202 Draft the paragraph that the group will
   propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment URI
   should be done closed

   <davy_> ACTION: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
   mailinglist [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Send the MF clarification text to
   the HTML mailinglist [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-12-15].

   <raphael> Raphael: both whatwh and w3c mailing lists

   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker
   [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug
   tracker [on RaphaŽl Troncy - due 2010-12-15].

LC COMMENTS

   <davy_> raphael: action 196 will be done today

OPEN ISSUES

   <davy_> close action-191

   <trackbot> ACTION-191 Update the production rules of the time
   dimension with the npt format for making the hours optional closed

   <raphael> List of open issues:
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open

   <Yves> done

   <raphael>
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open

   <davy_> raphael: Issue-19 is taken care of

   <davy_> raphael: difference between issue-13 and 20?

   <davy_> no difference -> close issue 13

   <davy_> close ISSUE-13

   <trackbot> ISSUE-13 Write a IETF draft for proposing how to register
   the fragment scheme for all media types closed

   <davy_> issue-18?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP processing of Media Fragments URI --
   open

   <trackbot>
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18

   <davy_> raphael: should we include this in the spec or not?

   <davy_> yves: if we do that, we probably need another LC

   <davy_> raphael: alternative could be putting this into an annex

   <davy_> ... informative status

   <davy_> Yves: better would be in another document (a note)

   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
   will be discussed in a separate note [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Setup a poll regarding the fact that
   RTSP will be discussed in a separate note [on RaphaŽl Troncy - due
   2010-12-15].

   <davy_> Issue-17?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Media Fragment track names and IRIs -- open

   <trackbot>
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17

   <davy_> Yves: or we close it because we don't know how to handle
   IRIs

   <davy_> ... or we continue discussions

   <raphael> reading the thread starting at
   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/
   0149.html

     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html

   <davy_> raphael: I18N recommends us to use IRI as reference

   <raphael> Key message:
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/
   0153.html

     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html

   <davy_> ACTION: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf
   next week [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Ask today who will make it to the
   teleconf next week [on RaphaŽl Troncy - due 2010-12-15].

   <davy_> close action-208

   <trackbot> ACTION-208 Ask today who will make it to the teleconf
   next week closed

   <raphael> Raphael: both Erik and Davy cannot make next week telecon

   <davy_> raphael: we will organize early in January a teleconf with
   everybody, joined by Addison Philips

   <davy_> Issue-10?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Media Fragments Test Case Maintenance -- open

   <trackbot>
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10

   <davy_> raphael: related to test cases

   <davy_> issue-9?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should we have the media type inside the Test
   Cases? -- open

   <trackbot>
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9

   <davy_> raphael: also related to test cases, we can ignore them for
   transitioning

TEST CASES

   <davy_> Action-167?

   <trackbot> ACTION-167 -- Erik Mannens to find licence free movies
   for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and
   the creative commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167

   <davy_> raphael: fine to use elephants dream and big bug bunny
   sequences

   <davy_> ... so we can use these media resources in our demos and
   examples in the spec

   <raphael> Movies to use:

   <raphael> Sintel, [30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc

     [30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc

   <raphael> ... longer version,
   [31]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ

     [31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ

   <raphael> Big Bunny, [32]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk

     [32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk

   <raphael> The Elephant Dreams

   <davy_> close action-167

   <trackbot> ACTION-167 Find licence free movies for the automatic
   test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative
   commons closed

   <davy_> action-168?

   <trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Davy Van Deursen to investigate how the
   automatic test suite could also be done for evaluating the UA
   behavior -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168

AOB

   <raphael> Raphael: presentation of test cases handling by Davy
   during the face to face meeting,
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2
   f_lyon/

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2f_lyon/

   <raphael> Raphael: we have an exhaustive list of test cases for the
   time dimension on the wiki

   <raphael> ... which has been reviewed by Conrad, Silvia, Jack and
   Philip

   <raphael>
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension

     [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension

   <raphael> Davy: I'm happy to convert the information in the wiki
   into a RDF file

   <raphael> ... this RDF file can then be the input of our test
   validation framework

   <davy_> close action-168

   <trackbot> ACTION-168 Investigate how the automatic test suite could
   also be done for evaluating the UA behavior closed

   <davy_> ACTION: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version
   [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF
   version [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2010-12-15].

   <davy_> [adjourned]

   <raphael>
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension

   <raphael>
   s/[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimensi
   on//

     [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension//

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML
   mailinglist [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf
   next week [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker
   [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP
   will be discussed in a separate note [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]

   [End of minutes]
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Davy Van Deursen

Ghent University - IBBT
Department of Electronics and Information Systems - Multimedia Lab
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