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From: Hausenblas, Michael <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:48:00 +0200
Message-ID: <768DACDC356ED04EA1F1130F97D29852018F660F@RZJC2EX.jr1.local>
To: RaphaŽl Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
Cc: "Media Fragment" <public-media-fragment@w3.org>


I *did* sent regrets ;)

Cheers,
	Michael

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 Dr. Michael Hausenblas
 Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
 JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
  
 http://www.joanneum.at/iis/
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: public-media-fragment-request@w3.org 
>[mailto:public-media-fragment-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of 
>RaphaŽl Troncy
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:42 PM
>To: Media Fragment
>Subject: minutes of 2008-10-15 telecon
>
>
>All,
>
>The minutes of our today's telecon are available now for review at 
>http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in 
>text format 
>below). Thanks Sivlia for the scribing.
>I have updated 
>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ScribeList
>
>   RaphaŽl
>
>---------
>
>    [1]W3C
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>              Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
>
>15 Oct 2008
>    [2]Agenda
>       [2] 
>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008O
ct/0052.html
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-mediafrag-irc
>
>Attendees
>    Present
>           Raphael, Jack, Davy, Thierry, Erik, Silvia, Yves
>    Regrets
>           Vassilis
>    Chair
>           Raphael
>    Scribe
>           nessy
>
>Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]ADMIN
>          2. [6]FIRST F2F
>          3. [7]ISSUES LIST
>          4. [8]USE CASES
>          5. [9]STATE OF THE ART
>          6. [10]AOB
>      * [11]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>    <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2008
>
>ADMIN
>
>    <raphael> scribenick: nessy
>
>    proposal to accept last meeting's minutes
>
>    +1
>
>    *Michael requested to enable the image upload feature on 
>the WG wiki
>
>    it now works
>
>    Silvia has uploaded a photo already
>
>FIRST F2F
>
>    <raphael>
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FirstF2FAgenda
>
>      [12] 
>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/FirstF2FAgenda
>
>    is the agenda ok and complete?
>
>    no objections
>
>    Monday will be mostly use cases
>
>    please prepare some material for your use cases
>
>    the discussion of the syntax will be on Tuesday
>
>    jackjansen would like to swap the use cases around, because he can
>    attend only on Tuesday
>
>    proposes switch of discussion I and discussion III
>
>    raphael is ok with it
>
>    no further comments
>
>    remember to prepare more details on your use cases
>
>    please also enter into the wiki your arrival and departure times
>
>ISSUES LIST
>
>    action items to go through
>
>    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - items
>
>    Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
>
>    image maps allow several different shapes
>
>    there are two types of image maps: client-side & server-side
>
>    server-side image maps are done with queries ("?") but are 
>not often
>    used on the Web
>
>    <Yves> server-side image maps were used back in 94/95, no 
>longer now
>
>    cleint-side image maps have as a draw-back the problem that they
>    cannot be indexed by search engines
>
>    the second action will be discussed during the F2F and thus
>    documentation created
>
>    <Yves> close ACTION-3
>
>    <trackbot> ACTION-3 And Erik to document container formats closed
>
>    Silvia has sent a long email and a sketch on how fragments and
>    protocols can work
>
>    she started with side conditions and then took into account all the
>    different standards (HTTP, proxy, URI) that prvide restrictions
>
>    Yves was to check the status of ';' in a URI
>
>    he sent an email and found that ";" basically has the same
>    restrictions as "?"
>
>    <Yves> ACTION-5 closed
>
>    <trackbot> ACTION-5 Check the status of ';' in a URI closed
>
>    he is not sure how many other applications are using ";" for
>    different purposes
>
>    silvia mentions that we should check use of whatever syntax we
>    decide upon by checking existing usage
>
>    <Yves> [13]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
>
>      [13] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
>
>    Erik: ";" may be in use by others, too
>
>    jackjansen: requested a reading list for the plane
>
>    <Yves> Section 3.3 is the useful one, for ;
>
>USE CASES
>
>    * Media Annotation UC: [Silvia]
>
>    Silvia focused on her action item
>
>    will have more at the F2F
>
>    * Media Delivery UC: [Davy]
>
>    <Erik> Day, you have to speak louder
>
>    Davy says we may only have to consider http
>
>    raphael: can you investigate more for next week?
>
>    * Media Linking UC: [Michael]
>
>    Michael modified the UC a little
>
>    added Bookmarking
>
>    scribe: Playlists
>    ... and interlinking
>
>    possibility to get input from seesmic for these use cases
>
>    Silvia wonders what we can get from seesmic
>
>    WP plugin from Seesmic helps leaving comments
>
>    Jack: Seesmic is more about chatting than blogging
>
>    Silvia: yes, a "video twitter"
>
>    Raphael: much links happening between videos in Seesmic
>
>    Jack: they seem to still treat each session of video as a separate
>    unit
>
>    Raphael: probably only because of current technology limitations
>    ... if they had temporal URI, they would use it
>
>    Jack: ok..
>
>    Raphael: let's discuss more at the F2F
>
>    * Media Search UC: no volunteer
>
>    * Media Browsing UC: no volunteer
>
>    Raphael: may need input from the media annotations working group
>    ... chance to meet them at TPAC to discuss more
>
>    * Photo Book UC: [Erik]
>
>    Erik will have something to present at F2F
>
>    * Map and Multi Resolution UC: [Raphael]
>
>    Raphael will have something to present at F2F
>
>    scribe: with discussion of what technologies are currently used
>
>    * Karaoke UC: no volunteer
>
>    deferred
>
>    * Moving Point of Interest UC: [Davy & Erik]
>
>    relevant in second phase of WG
>
>    nothing to report right now
>
>    * Video Browser UC: [Silvia]
>
>    will present something at F2F
>
>    no further questions on use cases
>
>STATE OF THE ART
>
>    <raphael>
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
>
>      [14] 
>http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
>
>    ** HTTP/URI (Michael/Yves)
>
>    ** RTSP Fragment (Silvia)
>
>    ** SMIL (Jack)
>
>    ** CMML (Silvia)
>
>    ** MPEG-21 (Davy/Silvia)
>
>    ** Spatial Fragment (Raphael)
>
>    Issues page is mostly focused on HTTP/URI case
>
>    Raphael: Silvia, would you like to add something to CMML
>
>    <raphael> Jack: CMML relevant since it allows to attach annotations
>    to media fragments
>
>    <raphael> Silvia: small overlap
>
>    Silvia: CMML relevant from the POV of naming segments in 
>media files
>    ... but the attachment of metadata, descriptions, timed text and
>    outgoing hyperlinks are not that relevant to this WG
>
>    Jack: curious to discuss at F2F
>
>    <Erik> work hard :)
>
>AOB
>
>    no other business
>
>Summary of Action Items
>
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
>
>
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>-- 
>RaphaŽl Troncy
>CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science),
>Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
>e-mail: raphael.troncy@cwi.nl & raphael.troncy@gmail.com
>Tel: +31 (0)20 - 592 4093
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>
>
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