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Re: minutes of 2008-11-05 teleconference

From: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:23:54 +0100
Message-ID: <4911824A.60500@w3.org>
To: RaphaŽl Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
CC: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>

RaphaŽl,


I was silently present on Zakim and IRC.


  Troncy wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> The minutes of our today's telecon are available now for review at 
> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format 
> below). Thanks Davy for the scribing.
> I have updated http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ScribeList
> 
> Please, fill in *asap* the questionnaire Yves has just opened at 
> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/mftelcontime/ for determining the 
> hour for our next telecon!
> 
>   RaphaŽl
> 
> ------------
> 
>    [1]W3C
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>              Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
> 05 Nov 2008
>    [2]Agenda
>       [2] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Nov/0019.html
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-irc
> Attendees
>    Present
>           Raphael, Erik, Yves, Guillaume, Jack, Davy,
>           Michael_(irc_only)
>    Regrets
>           Michael, Silvia
>    Chair
>           Raphael
>    Scribe
>           Davy
> 
> Contents
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]telecon hour
>          2. [6]minutes acception
>          3. [7]second F2F meeting
>          4. [8]preparation of working draft
>          5. [9]Issues
>          6. [10]AOB
>      * [11]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> telecon hour
> 
>    Yves: propose to have it 1 hour later, but we should ask it to
>    Silvia
> 
>    raphael: any problems if it starts 1 hour later?
> 
>    <mhausenblas> I'm fine with one hour later
> 
>    raphael: proposal to start the telecon at 10:00 UTC
> 
>    <mhausenblas> +1
> 
>    <erik> +1
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: yves to make a poll for suggestions for telecon
>    hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [recorded in
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Make a poll for suggestions for
>    telecon hour: 10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [on Yves Lafon - due 2008-11-12].
> 
> minutes acception
> 
>    <erik> +1
> 
>    <Gui> +1
> 
>    raphael: any objections for minutes (phoneconf and f2f)
> 
>    <erik> +1
> 
>    <mhausenblas> fine with me - no objections
> 
>    jackjansen: I did not scribe all day
> 
>    raphael: minutes accepted
>    ... goes through the action items
> 
> second F2F meeting
> 
>    raphael: encourages to fill the questionnaire
> 
>    <rtroncy> michael, please fill
>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGF2F2/
> 
>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGF2F2/
> 
>    <mhausenblas> ok
> 
>    erik: please make your arrangement asap (preferable before
>    8/11/2008)
> 
>    raphael: no agenda yet, suggestions are welcome
> 
>    <Gui>
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic
> 
>      [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic
> 
> preparation of working draft
> 
>    1. Use cases and requirements draft (Silvia)
> 
>    raphael: take time to read it and provide some comments
>    ... any comments yet?
>    ... suggest to take 2 nominates to review this document
> 
>    jackjansen: I will volunteer
> 
>    Guillaume: I will also review it
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: jackjansen and Gui to review the use cases and
>    requirements draft [recorded in
>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
> 
>    <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jack
> 
>    2. Types of Fragment addressing (guillaume)
> 
>    raphael: idea was to describe 4 dimensions to address fragments
> 
>    guillaume: description of possibilities of media types and these
>    dimensions
> 
>    yves: regarding linking to a parent resource
>    ... I will look more deeply into that next week
> 
>    3. HTTP implementation (Raphael)
> 
>    raphael: more information next week
>    ... 3th protocol: file implementation
> 
>    <Gui> ://
> 
>    s/file/file://
> 
>    <Yves> file always get the full result, so identifying fragment
>    forces seeking
> 
>    <rtroncy> 4. RTSP implementation (davy)
> 
>    <rtroncy> See:
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/RTSP_implementati
>    on
> 
>      [16] 
> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/RTSP_implementation
> 
>    <rtroncy> Davy: I describe how to address a track and a temporal
>    fragment in rtsp
> 
>    <rtroncy> ... some feedback would be nice
> 
>    <rtroncy> ... is there any more specialist of rtsp in the room?
> 
>    <rtroncy> Jack: I will read it!
> 
>    <rtroncy> ACTION: Jack to review the RTSP implementation document
>    [recorded in
>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Review the RTSP implementation
>    document [on Jack Jansen - due 2008-11-12].
> 
>    5. existing technologies survey (erik)
> 
>    raphael: merge this to the state of the art page
> 
>    erik: I can only look at it from 15/11/2008
>    ... it will be ready at second F2F
> 
>    Guillaume: how to give feedback on drafts?
> 
>    raphael: write mail to the mailinglist
>    ... provide the version you have reviewed
>    ... give comments section per section
> 
> Issues
> 
>    raphael: caching discussion
>    ... time ranges is really hard
> 
>    <rtroncy> Jack: i think time is complex and cache should not
>    necessary try to understand time ... thus only cache bytes range
> 
>    <rtroncy> Davy: I do not say exactly the contrary, but i'm arguing
>    about implementation
> 
>    <rtroncy> Jack: caching time ranges requires cache server to do
>    recombination ... so have knowledge about the various media
>    container formats
> 
>    yves: implementation hard or not, if we no it can be done, than
>    there is no problem
> 
>    Jack: caching based on byte offsets will work on 99% of the cases
> 
>    <rtroncy> Yves: when the implementation is done ... it is done! We
>    know it can be done ... implementation difficulty should not
>    influence the design
> 
>    jack: it would work with time ranges, but I see no advantages
> 
>    Yves: with time ranges, you can directly request the fragment
> 
>    jack: I fully agree
>    ... I think we should leave this issue open
> 
>    raphael: more discussion on the mailinglist
> 
>    <erik> +q
> 
> AOB
> 
>    <Yves> regrets for me next week (HTTP meeting)
> 
>    <rtroncy> thanks davy for the scribing
> 
>    <rtroncy> close ACTION-7
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-7 Request a new time slot on the Zakim bridge
>    closed
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: Jack to review the RTSP implementation document
>    [recorded in
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
>    [NEW] ACTION: jackjansen and Gui to review the use cases and
>    requirements draft [recorded in
>    [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
>    [NEW] ACTION: yves to make a poll for suggestions for telecon hour:
>    10:00UTC or 9:30UTC [recorded in
>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/05-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> 
>     Minutes formatted by David Booth's [21]scribe.perl version 1.133
>     ([22]CVS log)
>     $Date: 2008/11/05 11:05:52 $
> 
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