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Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be in sync.

From: Florian Stegmaier <stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:48:50 +0100
Cc: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>, "Höffernig, Martin" <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>, "tmichel@w3.org" <tmichel@w3.org>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
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To: "Bailer, Werner" <werner.bailer@joanneum.at>
Hi all!

Sorry, but i am a little bit confused - the RDF file needs revision, right? Would be nice if somebody could undertake this part since i have to check the JSON file.

Cheers.
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Am 02.02.2012 um 13:47 schrieb Bailer, Werner:

> Felix, to clarify this: ma:identifer is part of the spec, but there is no corresponding element in the RDF vocabulary. The reference [1] cited by Martin states:
>  
> “(1) The identifier of a media resource is represented in RDF by the URI of the node representing that media resource. If a resource is identified by several URI, owl:sameAs should be used.”
>  
> The identifier can be expressed by rdf:about on the ma:MediaResource node (see other examples, e.g. the mapping of dc:identifier). As the note above states, if you have several identifiers, use owl:sameAs (see e.g. the MPEG-7 example).
>  
> Best regards,
> Werner
>  
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1
>  
> Von: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org] 
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 13:42
> An: Höffernig, Martin
> Cc: Florian Stegmaier; tmichel@w3.org; Bailer, Werner; public-media-annotation@w3.org
> Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be in sync.
>  
> Just to make sure I understand: ma:identifier is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#core-property-definitions
> and in the mapping tables e.g. at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#xmp-table
> but not part of the spec?
>  
> I am happy to remove ma:identifier from the XMP example(s), but want to be sure I am doing the right thing.
>  
> Felix
>  
> 
> 2012/2/2 Höffernig, Martin <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
> Dear Felix, all,
> 
> I have checked the RDF and TTL version of the XMP example.
> Both ontology files (RDF and TTL version) contain the property ma:identifier in connection with 3 different identifier values (xmp:Identifier 1, xmp:Identifier 2, xmp:Identifier 3).
> However, property ma:identifier is no longer part of ma ontology spec [1].
> 
> [1]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/PR-mediaont-10-20111129/#correspondance-id1
> 
> Best,
> Martin
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Florian Stegmaier [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Februar 2012 10:40
> > An: tmichel@w3.org
> > Cc: Felix Sasaki; Bailer, Werner; public-media-annotation@w3.org
> > Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response files don't seem to be
> > in sync.
> >
> > Hi Thierry, all,
> >
> > at the moment, Martin is checking the RDF file. In case the RDF file is
> > correct (which i think it will be), i will check the JSON response, if
> > it fits to the current RDF version. I will send you my findings later.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > _____________________________
> > Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier
> > Chair of Distributed Information Systems University of Passau Innstr.
> > 43
> > 94032 Passau
> >
> > Room 248 ITZ
> >
> > Tel.: +49 851 509 3063
> > Fax: +49 851 509 3062
> >
> > stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de
> > https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/
> > http://twitter.com/fstegmai
> > _____________________________
> >
> > Am 02.02.2012 um 10:38 schrieb Thierry MICHEL:
> >
> > > Felix,
> > >
> > > I have republished the  XMP .rdf and .ttl file from
> > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-
> > mapped
> > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl
> > > and
> > > http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-
> > mapped
> > > -to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm
> > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.ttl
> > >
> > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xm
> > > p-canonical-mapped-to-mawg.rdf
> > >
> > > these RDf and TTL files seem identical to the former ones.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope it is also the case for the corresponding JSON response
> > >
> > http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normativ
> > > e_json_ma_xmp.json
> > >
> > > Because I have used this file to make the testsuite ...
> > >
> > > Thierry.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 02/02/2012 09:31, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
> > >> Thierry, Florian, all,
> > >>
> > >> I have generated the .rdf and .ttl file from the .xml file
> > >> automatically, these are definitely in sync. Florian, could you
> > >> re-generate the JSON file from
> > >>  <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/~s
> > >> asaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>
> > >>>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Then we are sure that everything is OK.
> > >>
> > >> Felix
> > >>
> > >> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org>
> > >>
> > >>> Felix,
> > >>>
> > >>> could you please check that the 4 files are indeed in sync
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
> > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-
> > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/2008
> > >>> /WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical-
> > original
> > >>> .xml><
> > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
> > >>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xs
> > >>> lt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
> > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to-
> > mawg.rdf<http://www.w3.or
> > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical-
> > ma
> > >>> pped-to-mawg.rdf><
> > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%
> > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
> > >>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to-
> > mawg.ttl<http://www.w3.or
> > >>> g/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical-
> > ma
> > >>> pped-to-mawg.ttl><
> > >>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%
> > >>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
> > >>>
> > API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_**xmp.json<http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVi
> > >>> deo/Annotations/drafts/API10/JSON/normative_json_ma_xmp.json>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> I would not want to have to redo the alll test suite ...
> > >>>
> > >>> Thierry
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Felix Sasaki a écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2012/1/31 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Felix,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    I have just published the RDF file you have sent.
> > >>>>    http://www.w3.org/2008/**WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/**
> > >>>> metadata_formats/xmp-**canonical-
> > original.xml<http://www.w3.org/200
> > >>>> 8/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/metadata_formats/xmp-canonical-
> > origin
> > >>>> al.xml>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    But I am getting lost now with your new wording.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Could you please send me the apropriate 4 files in sync ASAP
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    XMP- xml
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
> > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xsl
> > >>>> t/MAWG_test_canonical.xml><
> > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_**
> > >>>> test_canonical.xml<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/x
> > >>>> slt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    XMP- rdf
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/
> > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf><
> > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/
> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    XMP- ttl
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> See http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/
> > >>>> ~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl><
> > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.ttl<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/
> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.ttl>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    XMP- JSON
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As Florian pointed out, this file has not changed. It has been
> > >>>> generated by Florian from the RDF, so I cannot re-generate it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Felix
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    I am working on the implementation report and I must have the
> > >>>>    final files to work on these.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    thanks you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    thierry
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Felix Sasaki a écrit :
> > >>>>
> > >>>>        Yes indeed :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>        Felix
> > >>>>
> > >>>>        2012/1/31 Florian Stegmaier<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > passau.**de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           Hi Felix, all!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           In that case, Thierry should use the file as it was ;)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           Cheers.
> > >>>>           _____________________________
> > >>>>           Dipl. Inf. Florian Stegmaier
> > >>>>           Chair of Distributed Information Systems
> > >>>>           University of Passau
> > >>>>           Innstr. 43
> > >>>>           94032 Passau
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           Room 248 ITZ
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           Tel.: +49 851 509 3063<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063>
> > >>>>        <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203063>
> > >>>>           Fax: +49 851 509 3062<tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062>
> > >>>>        <tel:%2B49%20851%20509%203062>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.**de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > passau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           https://www.dimis.fim.uni-
> > **passau.de/iris/<https://www.dimis.fim.uni-passau.de/iris/>
> > >>>>           http://twitter.com/fstegmai
> > >>>>           _____________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           Am 31.01.2012 um 13:02 schrieb Felix Sasaki:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           >  This was an error in the XSLT that generates the RDF
> > from the
> > >>>>           original XMP. I have fixed this now, see
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabd
> > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/<http://fabd
> > >>>> ay.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~**sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-
> > >>>> **canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-
> > xslt.rdf>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**
> > >>>> canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-**xslt.rdf<http://fabday.fh-
> > potsdam.de/
> > >>>> %7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>                  <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%**
> > >>>> 7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-**canonical-mapped-to-mawg-by-
> > **xslt.rdf
> > >>>> <http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xmp-
> > canonical-
> > >>>> mapped-to-mawg-by-xslt.rdf>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  Florian, I guess you when need to regenerate the JSON
> > >>>>        from above
> > >>>>           RDF.
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  Felix
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  2012/1/31 Bailer, Werner<werner.bailer@joanneum.at
> > >>>>
> > <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:werner.bailer@**joanneum.at<werner.bailer@joanneum.at>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           >  For some reason, the additional identifiers from the
> > original
> > >>>>           XMP files were dropped in the RDF rather than having
> > multiple
> > >>>>           identifiers, there is a comment instead
> > >>>>        <!--xmp:Identifier-->  in
> > >>>>           the RDF.
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  Best regards,
> > >>>>           >  Werner
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  >  -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >>>>           >  >  Von: Florian Stegmaier
> > >>>>        [mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > **passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>           <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > **passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-passau.de>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-**passau.de<stegmai@dimis.fim.uni-
> > pas
> > >>>> sau.de>
> > >>>>>> ]
> > >>>>           >  >  Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Jänner 2012 12:27
> > >>>>           >  >  An: tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>
> > >>>>        <mailto:tmichel@w3.org<mailto:tmichel@w3.org>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           >  >  Cc: Felix Sasaki; public-media-annotation@w3.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media-
> > annotation@w3
> > >>>> .org>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media-
> > annotation@w3
> > >>>> .org>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:public-media-**annotation@w3.org<public-media-
> > annotation@w3
> > >>>> .org>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>           >  >  Betreff: Re: XMP example and XMP JSON response
> > files don't
> > >>>>           seem to be in
> > >>>>           >  >  sync.
> > >>>>           >  >
> > >>>>           >  >  Hi Thierry,
> > >>>>           >  >
> > >>>>           >  >  yes, i have already told you that this is is a
> > relict
> > >>>>        before
> > >>>>           our decision to use
> > >>>>           >  >  the RDF data set as basis. Please use the attached
> > >>>>        version of
> > >>>>           the JSON
> > >>>>           >  >  instead. In any case, the information of the RDF
> > shall be
> > >>>>           reflected in the
> > >>>>           >  >  JSON.
> > >>>>           >  >
> > >>>>           >  >  Are there also difficulties because of *-a/*-b
> > test cases?
> > >>>>           >  >
> > >>>>           >  >  Cheers.
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>           >  --
> > >>>>           >  Felix Sasaki
> > >>>>           >  DFKI / W3C Fellow
> > >>>>           >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>        --         Felix Sasaki
> > >>>>        DFKI / W3C Fellow
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Felix Sasaki
> > >>>> DFKI / W3C Fellow
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
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