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Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP > MAWG

From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:52:08 +0200
Message-ID: <4E7C2C98.4000101@w3.org>
To: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
CC: "Höffernig, Martin" <Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>


Le 22/09/2011 21:19, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
> Hi Martin,
>
> I have implemented option 2). Attached is a new version of the XMP related
> files. Thierry, could you upload these?

All files published

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/testsuite.html

Thierry.


>
> Thanks,
>
> Felix
>
> 2011/9/19 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
>
>> Dear Felix,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since time-related datatypes  have to be used for date properties [1], I
>> would choose option 1 or option 2.****
>>
>> [1]:
>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/PR/#ont-owl
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best,****
>>
>> Martin****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@googlemail.com] *Im
>> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 15. September 2011 16:42
>> *An:* Höffernig, Martin
>> *Cc:* public-media-annotation@w3.org
>> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi Martin,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> this is on purpose. The values are not part of the lexical space of
>> time-related datatypes in XML Schema. At****
>>
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl
>> ****
>>
>> I have created a function my:checkDateDataType, to deal with some of these
>> values that occurred in the XMP example files. But the fallback is always
>> that if no adequate datatype is found, I go to a string datatype.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I see two options:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 1) Change the input data so that it contains only XML Schema dateTime
>> compatible values****
>>
>> 2) Extend my:checkDateDataType so that it deals with the two problematic
>> values and converts them to dateTime values****
>>
>> 3) Leave everything as is****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My preference would be 2) or 3). 3) Would reflect reality most, at least
>> given the XMP examples I have. Any thoughts?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Felix****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 2011/9/15 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>****
>>
>> Dear Felix,****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> your example looks very good now. ****
>>
>> However, there is one thing left I would like to point your attention to:*
>> ***
>>
>> There are two ma:date values with datatype xsd:string ("2010-12-13T12:59:
>> 59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string and "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string). A
>> time-related datatype would be better at this point.****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Best,****
>>
>> Martin****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> *Von:* felix.sasaki@googlemail.com [mailto:felix.sasaki@googlemail.com] *Im
>> Auftrag von *Felix Sasaki
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 13. September 2011 15:11
>> *An:* Thierry Michel; Höffernig, Martin; public-media-annotation@w3.org***
>> *
>>
>>
>> *Betreff:* Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Thierry, Martin, all,****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> I implemented Martin's comments:****
>>
>> - input file with only one creation date value
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical.xml*
>> ***
>>
>> - XSLT transformation that solves the issues with multiple labels for
>> ma:hasLanguage and ma:hasPolicy
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-mawg.xsl
>> ****
>>
>> - output in RDF/XML
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.xml
>> ****
>>
>> - output in TTL
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.ttl
>> ****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Regards,****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Felix****
>>
>> 2011/9/12 Felix Sasaki<felix.sasaki@dfki.de>****
>>
>> Sorry, Thierry, I don't remember the discussion with Werner  in detail.
>> There is no label and no bag in ****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>>> ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
>>> "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
>>> "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string,
>>> "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
>>> "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string;****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> these are plain RDF statements. Could you clarify how to deal with the
>> above?****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> Felix****
>>
>>   ****
>>
>> 2011/9/12 Thierry Michel<tmichel@w3.org>****
>>
>> Felix,
>>
>>
>> It is the same issue for all;
>> This was already discussed with Werner.
>> you should use  multiple time the same labels or avoid bags in your
>> example.
>>
>>
>> Thierry****
>>
>>> Dear Martin, all,
>>>
>>> in addition to your observations and suggestions - which all make sense
>> -,
>>> let me mention that there are other cases of multiple examples of the
>> same
>>> kind of information:
>>> * ma:date:
>>> ma:date "2009"^^xsd:gYear,
>>> "2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12"^^xsd:gYearMonth,
>>> "2010-12-13T12:59:59.12345+02:00"^^xsd:string,
>>> "2010-12-23T14:42:31"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12-31"^^xsd:date,
>>> "2010-12-31T11:59:00"^^xsd:dateTime,
>>> "2010-12-31T11:59Z"^^xsd:string;
>>> * ma:title:
>>> ma:title "dc:title (de-DE)"^^xsd:string,
>>> "dc:title (en-US)"^^xsd:string,
>>> "dc:title (x-default)"^^xsd:string,
>>> "xmpDM:album"^^xsd:string.
>>> In XMP it is clear where the information is coming from, e.g. from dublin
>>> core within XM Por the xmpDM namespace. The mawg values of course don't
>>> express provenance. So an application does not know whether it should
>>> choose
>>> e.g.  2010-11-18T11:57:24+01:00 or 2009 is the date value.
>>>
>>> I don't know how to solve this problem but just wanted you to be aware of
>>> it. Martin, all, please let me know how you want to proceed, for
>>> ma:hasLanguage, ma:hasPolicy, ma:date, ma:creationDate and ma:title.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> 2011/9/12 Höffernig, Martin<Martin.Hoeffernig@joanneum.at>
>>>
>>>> Dear Felix, Thierry, all
>>>>
>>>> I have finished the recheck of the latest XMP example.
>>>> This example has passed the consistency check using Protege and Pellet.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have some remarks which should be discussed.
>>>>
>>>> The value of ma:hasLanguage is a rescource containing three different
>>>> labels:
>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>          <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
>>>>          <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
>>>>          <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</rdfs:label>
>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>
>>>> Since no cardinality restrictions has been defined in the MA ontology,
>>>> using multiple labels for the same resoure would be possible.
>>>> However, the question is if the above usage of mulitpe labels is correct
>>>> in
>>>> the MA ontology context?
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest to avoid the mulitple labels for the same resource and
>>>> describe multiple labels in the following way:
>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>          <rdfs:label>en</rdfs:label>
>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>          <rdfs:label>de-DE</rdfs:label>
>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>> <ma:hasLanguage rdf:parseType="Resource">
>>>>          <rdfs:label>de-DE-bayrisch</rdfs:label>
>>>> </ma:hasLanguage>
>>>>
>>>> Another resource (value of ma:hasPolicy) contains multiple labels
>>>> modelled
>>>> in the same as above.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, the media resource contains two different creation dates.
>>>>  From my side of view there can be only one creation date.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: Thierry MICHEL [mailto:tmichel@w3.org]
>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 08. September 2011 20:03
>>>>> An: Felix Sasaki; Höffernig, Martin
>>>>> Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org; Frank Biederich
>>>>> Betreff: Re: XSLT-Stylesheet for conversion XMP>  MAWG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Felix, Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have added your 2 files (XML and RDF) into the testsuite.
>>>>> (replace the former one.
>>>>> Note that in the RDF I have added a comment as mentuionned in the
>>>>> guidelines.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also added your Stylesheet for conversion of XMP (canonical
>>>>> form)
>>>>> to instance of "Ontology for Media Resources 1.0" in the list of
>>>>> Implementations/demonstrators
>>>>>
>>>>> see
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/testsuite
>>>>> .html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The last bit is that I have removed the former TTL file for XMP. Maybe
>>>>> you would like to provide a new one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin could you check the RDF file for XMP ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot for your input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bets,
>>>>>
>>>>> thierry
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 08/09/2011 12:25, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
>>>>>> Thierry, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have made a slight update of the XMP examples. Attached ZIP file
>>>>> contains
>>>>>> a new input file MAWG_test_canonical.xml, and an output
>>>>>> file MAWG_test_canonical_mapped-to-rdf-by-xslt.xmp
>>>>>> can you replace input and output in the CR table for the ontology
>>>>> document
>>>>>> accordingly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ZIP file also contains an XSLT stylesheet that I used for the
>>>>> generation
>>>>>> of the output file. Input needs to be XMP *in canonical form* (a
>>>>> certain
>>>>>> kind of XMP serialization). From my understanding an XMP processor
>>>>> needs to
>>>>>> be capable to produce that form. See the stylesheet also at
>>>>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/mawg/xmp/xslt/xml-canonical-to-
>>>>> mawg.xsl
>>>>>> Can you add the stylesheet (or maybe rather the link to it) to the
>>>>> mapping
>>>>>> tool list of implementations / demonstrators for the ontology? Many
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I have put Frank Biederich from Adobe into the loop so that he is
>>>>> aware of
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felix
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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