- From: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:04:34 +0100 (CET)
- To: "Silvia Pfeiffer" <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Cc: tmichel@w3.org, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
The F2F meeting is tomorow and friday. Followaing that we should soon release our second Last Call. Thierry > Oh... I was and am really busy. > When is your meeting? > Silvia. > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote: >> Silvia, >> >> Did you have the time to fill the WebM multimedia >> container format mapping table? >> >> I would like to include it the spec for our F2F. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Thierry >> >> >> >> OK, will do, but not before the weekend. >> Thanks, >> Silvia. >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote: >>> Silvia, >>> >>> You have kindly offered to provide information for the WebM multimedia >>> container format mapping table. >>> >>> As I have no feed back from James, could you please send us this >>> information. >>> The WebM template is available at >>> >>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165 >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Thierry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 15/10/2010 07:41, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit : >>>> >>>> Speex is a codec and not a metadata format. Ogg Speex is already >>>> covered >>>> by >>>> >>>> >>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x16776, >>>> just as that covers Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Silvia. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:36 PM, James >>>> Salsman<jsalsman@talknicer.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Silvia, >>>>> >>>>> Thierry specifically told me that Speex wasn't approved because it >>>>> was >>>>> not a metadata format. >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that Speex is already included in the ontology under >>>>> ogg? >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> James Salsman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer >>>>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> James, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody says that media formats do not contain metadata. But you are >>>>>> referring to codec data here and not to media fromats. Codec data >>>>>> never >>>>>> stands on its own and can thus not expose metadata. It always >>>>>> exposes >>>>>> it >>>>> >>>>> as >>>>>> >>>>>> part of a container. Thus, Ogg Speex already is covered. And you >>>>>> have >>>>>> to >>>>>> regard metadata for VP8 in the context of WebM. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus, when Thierry asks for a spec for WebM metadata, that will >>>>>> cover >>>>>> the >>>>>> VP8 metadata. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Silvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM, James >>>>>> Salsman<jsalsman@talknicer.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Thierry, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I most certainly do not cancel my objection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please send me the names and email addresses of all persons who >>>>>>> purport to claim that media format definitions do not contain >>>>>>> metadata. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have asked the VP8 and Speex media authorities to complete your >>>>>>> ontology forms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> James Salsman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Thierry MICHEL<tmichel@w3.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need to wrap up this issue in order to allow the MAWG to move >>>>> >>>>> forward >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Media Ontology spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could you please respond to this email and say: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1- that you cancel your formal objection. >>>>>>>> 2- that you agree to the MAWG proposal to include a >>>>>>>> WebM multimedia container format mapping table >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as you had referred to >>>>>>>> http://www.webmproject.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3- Do you plan to send us the WebM multimedia container format >>>>>>>> mapping >>>>>>>> table, whith the appropriate info ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 12/10/2010 08:54, Thierry MICHEL a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Silvia, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is exactly what I have told James, in my earlier email in >>>>> >>>>> response >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to his last call comment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0225.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> extract: >>>>>>>>> "To focus on your request to include VP8 and speex in our >>>>>>>>> Ontology, >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mapping tables are intended for multimedia *metadata formats*. >>>>>>>>> - VP8 is an open video compression format (codec). >>>>>>>>> - Speex is a free audio codec for Free Speech. >>>>>>>>> These are not *metadata formats*, and therefore not meant to be >>>>> >>>>> listed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in our mapping tables". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As James raised an objection if this 2 formats were not included, >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> asked him to provide the 2 mapping tables for Speex and VP8, and >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> what he could provide ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And, as we had concluded in the MAWG that on the container >>>>>>>>> carries >>>>>>>>> metadata, I have in a couple of emails asked James to provide a >>>>> >>>>> mapping >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> table for the media container formats WebM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> an pointed to the template to use >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/CR/mapping_table-php.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am still waiting for James to provide this information if he >>>>>>>>> wants >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> see it in the spec. A place holder for this containet is already >>>>>>>>> created >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thierry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 12/10/2010 03:43, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James, Thierry, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Speex and VP8 are codecs and don't by themselves have accessible >>>>>>>>>> metadata. >>>>>>>>>> They, however, are not distributed as codec data, but rather >>>>>>>>>> inside >>>>>>>>>> media >>>>>>>>>> containers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When we talk about Speex in files, it comes in an Ogg container >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x16776should >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> satisfy your need for a mapping table. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When we talk about VP8 in files, it comes in a WebM container >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> Vorbis. >>>>>>>>>> Somebody needs to fill in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165 >>>>> ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If nobody is doing it, let me know and I'll make the time to dig >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Silvia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Thierry MICHEL<tmichel@w3.org> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear James, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In your latest email to the MAWG response to your comment, you >>>>>>>>>>> seem >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> disagree with the MAWG proposal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0245.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "I don't agree with the statement that speex or VP8 are not >>>>> >>>>> metadata >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> formats. They are audio and audiovisual media formats which >>>>>>>>>>> contain >>>>>>>>>>> both metadata and data in their specifications. >>>>>>>>>>> This disagreement can be resolved if speex and VP8 are included >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> media ontology". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The group is currently discussing your objection. Speex is an >>>>>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>>>> format, and the Ontology spec is mainly incorporating images >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>>>> metadata formats. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To move forward, could you please send the MAWG the 2 mapping >>>>> >>>>> tables >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> Speex and VP8. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please use as template the following tables with the exact name >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> property being mapped to, like ma:identifier, ma:title, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> and the same columns: Relation, How to do the mapping, >>>>>>>>>>> Datatype, >>>>>>>>>>> Required >>>>>>>>>>> vs Optional,XPath >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> templates: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#metadata-mapping-table >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Could you please send these ASAP as we are about to release a >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> publication of the Media Ontology spec >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Thierry Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > -- Thierry Michel W3C
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