- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:06:14 +0100
- To: "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
All,
The minutes of today's telecon is available for review at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Cheers.
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
10 Mar 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0023.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-irc
Attendees
Present
Jean_Pierre, Thierry, Pierre_Antoine, Chris, Raphael,
Daniel_(irc), Veronique_(irc), wonsuk, (partial)
Regrets
Tobias, michele
Chair
Joakim
Scribe
Thierry, raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon
03 March 2009
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]mapping of formats
4. [8]toy implementation
5. [9]AOB
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<tmichel> Scribe:Thierry
<tmichel> Minutes:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html
<tmichel> hello raphael
trackbot, start teleco
<trackbot> Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start
teleco'. Please refer to [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
for help
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Date: 10 March 2009
<scribe> Agenda:
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
Mar/0023.html
[13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0023.html
<daniel> this call starts ?
<tmichel> hope Joakim will join to chair this meeting
<Chris_IBBT> hopefully Joakim did not forget the different starting
time of the phone conference
<daniel> oh, call information sent from Joakim has the same timezone
(not applying one-hour earlier). I am now traveling, hence can't
make a phone call.
<tmichel> It maybe that some people have forgotten about the time
slot change for this call
<tmichel> Should we proceed ? Do we have a quorum ?
chairs, tema contact: what's happened with this call?
<daniel> presumably, we will start after one-hour with Joamik
charing. sorry for inconvenience and thanks your patient...
<tmichel> Joakim sent an agenda and was schedulled to Chair. I was
scheduled to scribe ...
The agenda said: Tuesday, 10 March 13:00-14:00 UTC
<Chris_IBBT> we do it in french?
veronique, the telecon was messy, restart again
<daniel> so sorry...this is a chairs' mistake. if ok, we will be
able to resume this call after 50 minutes. is that ok for all of you
?
daniel, we cannot, since Zakim is not booked!
<daniel> um...ok, Thierry can you be charing this call instead of
Joakim ?
<tmichel> do we want to cancel
Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 03 March 2009
minutes accepted, no objections
<tmichel> Propose to accept:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html as
[14] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html
<tmichel> minutes of the last meeting, thanks to Veronique for
scribing.
<scribe> Scribe: raphael
<pchampin> I can scribe
<scribe> scribenick: raphael
Scribe for next week: Thierry volunteers
Action Items
Felix: ACTION-43: continue
All actions: 47, 54, 80, 82 continue
Pierre Antoine: ACTION-83
scribe: the action is not completed
... I thought that the review of the standards will be done in small
group and thus the action would have been cancelled
close ACTION-83
<trackbot> ACTION-83 Review ID3 closed
The remaining actions: 85, 86, 87 are still pending
mapping of formats
Thierry: how will we going to publish this table in our new
document?
Raphael: is there any action to actually review this table?
Thierry: no, we will make small group of 2-3 people for reviewing
part of this table
... should we design groups and assign formats to these groups ?
Veronique: I thought we will discuss that during the face to face
meeting
Raphael: +1 for Veronique's suggestion
Thierry: yes, but we should as well have some material prior to the
f2f
<daniel> this small group will be made by toy implementation
volunteers and chairs...so toss it (reviewing the mapping table) to
chairs this time
Jean Pierre: we need experts of these formats to actually do the
mapping, I will not dare to say something on formats I don't know
Thierry: should we ask people to attach their name on specific
format?
Jean Pierre: yes
<pchampin> +1
<Chris_IBBT> +1
Thierry: and then use a first come first serve principle
Jean Pierre: the maker of the mapping for each specific format
should be in
<veroniqueM> +1
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats
considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping,
leading each sub-group [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Provide the list of all formats
considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping,
leading each sub-group [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17].
<scribe> ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL
Raphael: why do you want to publish this table before the f2f?
Veronique: in order to get comments from a wider community
Thierry: it will be difficult to publish this table in the TR space
because of pubrules
Raphael: my suggestion would be to produce a document that contains
excerpts of the table and graphical representation of the mappings
... but requires a lot of work, not sure you can make it in 2 weeks
Veronique: graphical representation might be unreadable
Raphael: yes, thus split this table depending on group of properties
Veronique: we want a validation of these mappings from the communiy
depending on the usage of the properties
Raphael: then you need a lot of text explaining the rational behind
each mappings
Pierre Antoine: the current table has XMP as a pivot format
scribe: split the table in plenty of tables with always XMP as
reference
Raphael: problem with that is that you remove a lot of value of the
global view of the table
Thierry: but assuming we do not publish anything by the f2f, what
can we expect afterwards
Veronique: the transitivity of the mappings is also in question, we
need to discuss it during the f2f
<Chris_IBBT> +1 Veronique
+1 veronique
Thierry: what I hear here, is that we should wait for after the f2f
to go publishing a document
<veroniqueM> +1
+1
Raphael: and explain carefully the rationale of each mapping, the
type of the mapping (equivalent, sub-property, related to,
unspecified), the transitivity
Thierry: do we have a quorum for taking a resolution
Raphael: i think we are not enough, can make an informal poll
Chris: we should listen to the arguments of Felix that wanted to
publish the table asap
Thierry: ok, this is not a formal resolution (no quorum), but I note
that the people present on the call want to delay the publication of
the table
Toppic: survey of mapping formats
<tmichel>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results
[17] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results
12 responders on 26 people!
Thierry: commenting the results received so far, see also
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
Mar/0030.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0030.html
Raphael: I would like to raise a serious concern! I see only 12
responders on 26, among the non-responders, there are active
participants ! I observe also that Dave Singer (from Apple) has
raised concern on the poll itself and did not provide answers :-(
Chris: i can ask other IBBT guys to answer as well
Veronique: I have no real preferences
Thierry: I'm a team contact, so I cannot answer
Daniel: why did you do not answer?
Others: seem to not be active participants
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite
people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order
to get a quorum of responses [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Re-open the questionnaire and invite
people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order
to get a quorum of responses [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17].
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Chase the non-responders [on Thierry
Michel - due 2009-03-17].
<daniel> sorry..! I missed the due in flight...
<daniel> Thierry, do we make a decision to reopen for that once
again ?
toy implementation
Veronique: is there a schema of XMP available or should we construct
it manually from the spec?
... should we consider the VRA mapping in the toy implementation
given that VRA has low results in the pol
Wonsuk: we can ask the schema to Adobe
Raphael: I think it does *NOT* exist
[21]http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/51668.htm
[21] http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/51668.htm
Raphael: we can of course ask confirmation from Adobe, a chair
action?
... from the blog post above, it seems Adobe considers XMP as a
framework, in which particular subsets are defined, DC, and other
small schemas, but XMP is extensible too, thus no XMP schema exists
... this is how I interpret it
<daniel> I was asking Adobe for some of XMP issues as well as
Metadata WG, but no clear answer to me until now...
<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's
contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have
access too [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's
contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have
access too [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-17].
AOB
Thierry: next call will be an hour earlier again!!!
Chairs: need to write that in the agenda
<daniel> again, sorry
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact
in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats considered
in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading
each sub-group [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite people
to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get
a quorum of responses [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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