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Re: Glossary updates

From: Joëlle Coutaz <joelle.coutaz@imag.fr>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:37:39 +0200
Cc: public-mbui@w3.org
Message-Id: <995DEFBA-255C-4818-9A89-BE479CF021BB@imag.fr>
To: Heiko Braun <ike.braun@googlemail.com>
I agree with you, Heiko.

On 4 Apr 2013, at 13:44, Heiko Braun wrote:

> Regarding the questions on the recent call:
> 
> I agree that we should keep the distinction between "A" and "Model of A", like AUI and AUI Model. Although model is a really overloaded term, within the context of this discussion it probably refers to an artefact of some kind (aka representation) that's being used to work with the concepts. That's at least how we've used it so far within my team.
> 
> In general I would remove the synonyms and rely on distinct terms and update the editor drafts accordingly.
> 
> 
> Regards, Heiko
> 
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Paolo Bottoni <bottoni@di.uniroma1.it> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all, 
>> 
>> as announced, I will not be able to participate in today's telco, and most likely not even for the next ones, but I will be actively following on the documents and the mailing list. 
>> 
>> Concerning the issue raised by Gaelle, I think we differ on this subject.
>> 
>> To me the only system that is there is the actually deployed and running interactive system, all other artifacts being models of (parts of) this system. 
>> 
>> If I look at the (admittedly old) draft on the MDA, I read in the glossary:
>> 
>> Model: A model is a representation of part of the function, structure and/or behavior of
>> a system.
>> 
>> The glossary does not contain an item for System, but elsewhere in the document it is said
>> 
>> "We use system here in the system-theoretic sense to include not only software."
>> 
>> So models are models of systems, and systems are something with "function, structure and behavior", with models possibly referring to any of these aspects. Also, it is said "Note that under this definition, source code is a model that has the salient characteristic that it can be executed by a machine.", which makes me think that only the execution of the code provides the system under study.
>> 
>> So, I'll stand by my view, but of course the group can choose either way. The important thing is that all the related choices are made in a consistent way.
>> 
>> best
>> paolo
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/4/4 Gaelle Calvary <Gaelle.Calvary@imag.fr>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> I have also edited the document (in pink).
>> Three comments:
>> 1- I would prefer to define AUI and CUI as SYSTEMS (i.e. things) that can be modeled in different ways depending on the modeling purpose. Thus a AUI (resp CUI) can PLAY THE ROLE
>> - of a pattern
>> or
>> - of a AUI model for the UI under study
>> or
>> - of .... possibly other roles not identified so far.
>> To the best of my knowledge, this is well aligned with "pure" MDE where
>> - every thing is a SYSTEM
>> - nothing is a model per se
>> - but every system can play the role of a model for another system.
>> Thus I prefer to have two entries in the glossary:
>> - the concept of AUI (grouping ...)
>> - the concept of model.
>> 
>> 2- to keep the glossary as DRY (Do not Repeat Yourself) as possible, I would be in favor of removing several entries (see my comments in the document)
>> 
>> 3- the glossary contains several (interesting) concepts, but that are not mentionned in the introduction. I believed the glossary had to be limited to the useful terms for reading the MBUI documents. In this case there are several terms to be removed.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I have one full day project meeting today that makes me impossible to join the conference call.
>> If you agree with my comments, I would be happy to "clean" the document once this is agreed on. Of course, no problem if you disagree :-)
>> Kind regards
>> Gaelle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 3 avr. 13 à 08:54, Paolo Bottoni a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I have gone through a revision of all the items with NOTE or X. I have made some local corrections, or proposed alternative definitions (sorry about that) and also proposed a new item: Interaction !!. All of these are written in green. Plus, I have made some comments.
>> 
>> The most notable thing is that I have tried to provide a revision of the definitions of AUI, CUI, Physical UI, which should make the three levels more consistent. In this respect, as I said over the last telcon, I do not think there is such a thing as an AUI, but AUI and CUI are only modeling artefact. Also, I have tried to revise uses of the term model so as to make them consistent. I hope I succeeded in this.
>> 
>> As I am on a 7-hour time difference, the next telcons will occur when it 20.00 in Japan, making it difficult for me to join. Almost certainly, it will not be possible for me to do it tomorrow
>> 
>> best
>> 
>> paolo
>> 
>> 2013/3/30 Jaroslav Pullmann <jaroslav.pullmann@fit.fraunhofer.de>
>> 
>>  Hello Joëlle,
>> 
>>  yes, this marking is intended to distinguish the definition row (out of possibly many associated
>>  to a single term), which is going to be published.  The inclusion of terms themselves is marked
>>  on the left ("X") of the term.
>> 
>>  Best regards
>>   Jaroslav
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:14 CET, Joëlle Coutaz <joelle.coutaz@imag.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi Jaroslav.
>> > If I understand you correctly, you have inserted the flag "NOTE" to help the group to focus on the entries for which  a final decision has to be made. "NOTE" is attached to other entries than the ones you have listed below as NOTE is attached to almost all the entries I have modified.
>> >
>> > I let the group make the final decision.
>> > Happy Easter,
>> > --joelle
>> >
>> > On 30 Mar 2013, at 9:43, Jaroslav Pullmann wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Joëlle, dear all,
>> > >
>> > > thank you for a thorough review and complement of the glossary!
>> > > There are definitions where a final selection out of alternative
>> > > wordings should be verified/decided by placing a marking ("NOTE"):
>> > >
>> > >  Adaptability
>> > >  Adaptivity
>> > >  Distribution
>> > >  Distributed User Interface
>> > >  Elasticity
>> > >  Interactor
>> > >  Mono-target UI (bullet list only)
>> > >  Presentation Unit (pending, obsolate)
>> > >  Reification
>> > >
>> > > Because of Easter holidays I will not be available for the telcon on April,
>> > > 4th. In case you agree on finalizing and publishing the glossary I will take
>> > > care of the formatting.
>> > >
>> > >  Best regards
>> > >   Jaroslav
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:49 CET, Joëlle Coutaz <joelle.coutaz@imag.fr> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi all,
>> > >> As promised, I have edited the glossary to the best of my knowledge.
>> > >>
>> > >> First, I have focussed on the terms used in the introduction + the foundational terms used in the Task and AUI documents.
>> > >> Then, I have browsed the glossary and updated a number of entries + answered to most comments + added a couple of new comments.
>> > >> I hope we have made some progress towards convergence.
>> > >> My inputs are in red.
>> > >>
>> > >> Now, you own the thing!
>> > >> Best,
>> > >> --joelle
>> > >>
>> > >> *************************************************************************
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>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > Joelle COUTAZ, Professeur émérite
>> > Lab. LIG (laboratoire d'Informatique de Grenoble)
>> > 41 rue des Mathématiques, 38400 St-Martin d'Hères, France, http://iihm.imag.fr/coutaz, tel. 33 4 76 51 48 54
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>> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Jaroslav Pullmann
>> Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology FIT
>> Web Compliance Center: http://imergo.com/ · http://imergo.de/
>> Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53757 Sankt Augustin, Germany
>> Phone: +49-2241-142623 · Fax: +49-2241-142065
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paolo Bottoni
>> 
>> Associate Professor of Computer Science
>> 
>> Email: bottoni@di.uniroma1.it
>> 
>> Website: http://w3.uniroma1.it/dipinfo/scheda_docente.asp?cognome=Bottoni&nome=Paolo
>> 
>> Phone: +39 06 4925 5166
>> 
>> Fax: + 39 06 8541842
>> 
>> Important conferences:
>> 
>> http://www.etaps.org/
>> http://www.dsmforum.org/events/GMLD13
>> https://sites.google.com/site/vlhcc2013/home
>> http://www.ksi.edu/seke/vlc13cfp.html
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Gaelle Calvary, Professeur en Informatique
>> Chargée de mission "Société du numérique" à l'Institut polytechnique de Grenoble
>> Directeur adjoint du Laboratoire d'Informatique de Grenoble
>> 41, rue des mathématiques - BP 53 - 38041 Grenoble Cedex 9 - France
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paolo Bottoni
>> 
>> Associate Professor of Computer Science
>> 
>> Email: bottoni@di.uniroma1.it
>> 
>> Website: http://w3.uniroma1.it/dipinfo/scheda_docente.asp?cognome=Bottoni&nome=Paolo
>> 
>> Phone: +39 06 4925 5166
>> 
>> Fax: + 39 06 8541842
>> 
>> Important conferences:
>> 
>> http://www.etaps.org/
>> http://www.dsmforum.org/events/GMLD13
>> https://sites.google.com/site/vlhcc2013/home
>> http://www.ksi.edu/seke/vlc13cfp.html
> 

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Joelle COUTAZ, Professeur émérite
Lab. LIG (laboratoire d'Informatique de Grenoble)
41 rue des Mathématiques, 38400 St-Martin d'Hères, France, http://iihm.imag.fr/coutaz, tel. 33 4 76 51 48 54
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