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Re: AW: MBUI limitation

From: Sebastian Feuerstack <Sebastian@Feuerstack.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:47:13 -0300
Message-ID: <503223C1.4050906@Feuerstack.org>
To: public-mbui@w3.org
CC: Gerrit Meixner <Gerrit.Meixner@dfki.de>
Dear colleagues,

i agree that a semantic description would help to decide about tasks and 
interaction units relevant for a certain context at design time and run 
time.

But since the majority of our tools are based on pure XML i think it 
would be better to focus on figuring out an agreed XML-based format 
first. Further on, it is still possible to construct "semantic networks" 
on top our current approach by linking from the network to individual 
tasks or interaction units.

Regards,
Sebastian

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Sebastian Feuerstack
Department of Computer Science
Federal University of Sao Carlos - Brazil
http://www.feuerstack.org

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On 20/08/2012 01:28, Gerrit Meixner wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for forwarding the comment by Yan.
>
> Here I guess we can see the different views people have on a specification
> again. XML-based languages in MBUID have a long tradition and are well
> established in this community.
> Also in practice XML-based languages for e.g., infotainment systems are
> specified in such a way (e.g., OEM-XML, AbstractHMI).
> We had many talks about the different possibilities for using a specific
> notation. People have arguments for paper-based informal specifications and
> people have arguments for (more) formal specifications.
> It depends on the user (group) you are asking. Often the least common
> denominator is a XML-based language. But in the end it doesn't matter which
> way you go (XML or RDF/OWL) because you will always need powerful tools to
> support people.
>
> What do the others think about the comment of Yan?
>
> Best regards
> Gerrit
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dave Raggett [mailto:dsr@w3.org]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2012 21:40
> An: Yan Bodain
> Cc: public-mbui@w3.org
> Betreff: Re: MBUI limitation
>
> Thank you for your feedback, I am forwarding it to the MBUI list for
> comments.
>
> On 04/08/12 22:28, Yan Bodain wrote:
>> Hi
>> I am a software developper with a strong background in Cognitive
>> Ergonomics (PhD degre from Ecole Polytechnique of Montreal) and also
>> in semantic technologies.
>>
>> I am writing this email because I was extremly surprised by the first
>> draft of MBUI.
>>
>> I think you have mist a great opportuny to make your model usefull by
>> using a XML Schema instead of using a combinaison of semantic
>> descriptions (RDF, OWL).
>>
>> For example, in many places, you have listed the values that are legal
>> for some XML attribut. But if you had choosen to link these values to
>> an ontology class instead, it would have made your model more usefull
>> (because it would let the system navigate inside a hiearchy of task
>> and find a task directly related to the local context or domain)
>>
>> To resume, the first draft of MBUI is great a excercice for someone
>> working as ergonomist, cognitive engineering or artificial
>> intelligence but it as poor value for someone who build software,
>> portal solution or knowledge system for entreprise.
>>
>> Coming from the W3C, I was hopping that the MBUI documentation would
>> not only help ergonomist but also practionner.
>>
>> If you decide to develop your model further, I will be happy to help
>> you to migrate your XML model to a semantic one.
>>
>> Or, at least, find someone who is familiar with semantic technologies
>> (why not ask Tim Berners-Lee?) in order to validate the context of
>> application of your MBUI draft.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Yan Bodain, PhD.
>>
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