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Re: AW: MBUI limitation

From: Gaelle Calvary <Gaelle.Calvary@imag.fr>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:31:25 +0200
Cc: "'Dave Raggett'" <dsr@w3.org>, <public-mbui@w3.org>
Message-Id: <932ECECD-04DA-4531-A700-7753383206A5@imag.fr>
To: "Gerrit Meixner" <Gerrit.Meixner@dfki.de>
Dear colleagues,
To me, the two approaches are complementary. I guess Yan's suggestion  
would more elegantly address extensibility, and thus better blur the  
distinction between design time and runtime (services discovery).
Kind regards
Gaelle


Le 20 août 12 à 06:28, Gerrit Meixner a écrit :

> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for forwarding the comment by Yan.
>
> Here I guess we can see the different views people have on a  
> specification
> again. XML-based languages in MBUID have a long tradition and are well
> established in this community.
> Also in practice XML-based languages for e.g., infotainment systems  
> are
> specified in such a way (e.g., OEM-XML, AbstractHMI).
> We had many talks about the different possibilities for using a  
> specific
> notation. People have arguments for paper-based informal  
> specifications and
> people have arguments for (more) formal specifications.
> It depends on the user (group) you are asking. Often the least common
> denominator is a XML-based language. But in the end it doesn't  
> matter which
> way you go (XML or RDF/OWL) because you will always need powerful  
> tools to
> support people.
>
> What do the others think about the comment of Yan?
>
> Best regards
> Gerrit
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dave Raggett [mailto:dsr@w3.org]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2012 21:40
> An: Yan Bodain
> Cc: public-mbui@w3.org
> Betreff: Re: MBUI limitation
>
> Thank you for your feedback, I am forwarding it to the MBUI list for
> comments.
>
> On 04/08/12 22:28, Yan Bodain wrote:
>> Hi
>> I am a software developper with a strong background in Cognitive
>> Ergonomics (PhD degre from Ecole Polytechnique of Montreal) and also
>> in semantic technologies.
>>
>> I am writing this email because I was extremly surprised by the first
>> draft of MBUI.
>>
>> I think you have mist a great opportuny to make your model usefull by
>> using a XML Schema instead of using a combinaison of semantic
>> descriptions (RDF, OWL).
>>
>> For example, in many places, you have listed the values that are  
>> legal
>> for some XML attribut. But if you had choosen to link these values to
>> an ontology class instead, it would have made your model more usefull
>> (because it would let the system navigate inside a hiearchy of task
>> and find a task directly related to the local context or domain)
>>
>> To resume, the first draft of MBUI is great a excercice for someone
>> working as ergonomist, cognitive engineering or artificial
>> intelligence but it as poor value for someone who build software,
>> portal solution or knowledge system for entreprise.
>>
>> Coming from the W3C, I was hopping that the MBUI documentation would
>> not only help ergonomist but also practionner.
>>
>> If you decide to develop your model further, I will be happy to help
>> you to migrate your XML model to a semantic one.
>>
>> Or, at least, find someone who is familiar with semantic technologies
>> (why not ask Tim Berners-Lee?) in order to validate the context of
>> application of your MBUI draft.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Yan Bodain, PhD.
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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