- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:32:43 -0500
- To: public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, Jared Smith <jared@webaim.org>
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https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html
Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference16 Aug 2018Attendees
PresentJim, Laura, Shawn, SteveRepsher, jon_avila, wayneDRegretsChairJim
Scribejim
Contents
- Topics <https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#agenda>
1. WebAIM Low Vision Survey #2 Draft Review
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item01>
2. primary device
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item02>
3. AT that is used
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item03>
4. primary screen reader
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item04>
5. keyboard <https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item05>
6. mobile platform
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item06>
7. Accessibility settings
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item07>
8. voice assistant
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item08>
9. magnification level
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item09>
10. custom styles
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item10>
11. nav by headings
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item11>
12. accessibility feelings
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item12>
13. social media
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item13>
14. custom styles
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#item14>
- Summary of Action Items
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
- Summary of Resolutions
<https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>
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<jon_avila> A link I found that says "expand your window to view this
experience"
https://www.cnn.com/ampstories/entertainment/the-aretha-franklin-you-probably-didnt-know
<shawn> [ reviewing https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2...
font size in drop-downs ... ]
<shawn> https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2
zakim: open item 1
WebAIM Low Vision Survey #2 Draft Review
<scribe> scribe: jim
WebAim looking for input, hope to launch at end of august
jon: likes questions on font size, heading, and keyboard
... would like more questions
wd: enlargement - with or without word wrapping
* text size of dropdown boxex is smaller than other text
<shawn> slh: font size in fields smaller
* questions seem to run together. no real differentiation between
questions. perhaps add numbers or headings
<shawn> * minor - more space between questions (esp before "Which of the
following types of visual impairment do you have?")
<shawn> * "Contrast/light sensitivity" ->
<shawn> * "Contrast/light sensitivity" -> "Contrast sensitivity"
<shawn> ... maybe add "(difficulty reading low contrast)"
* question 5 Contrast/light sensitivity - change to "Contrast sensitivity
(difficulty seeing low contrast)"
* q5 other should have blank for other input
* appreciate short survey. wonder about removing some quesitons - e.g
internet proficiency.
wd: correlate custom style sheet question with internet proficiency.
<steverep> Can someone paste a link to this survey?
laura: why have age? is it important?
https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2
laura: what are they going to do with the information on age?
wd: seen breakdown on age related vision from 50 to 90%%
jon: may correlate age with other questions.
... thought you had to be over 18 to take survey
primary device
jon: TV
<steverep> Shouldn't "internet" be "world wide web" ;)
* mobile and tablet should be separate
discussion of laptop with external monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. would
answer desktop.
<shawn> Shawn: Technically use laptop, but use external keyboard, external
monitor, etc.
jon: external large monitor connected to laptop.
<shawn> ... but what's important for this survey? size of screen?
* perhaps question should be preferred or common monitor size
<shawn> a = desktop monitor, laptop, tablet, phone
do people know what size monitor they use
what size to you use to navigate the web. - laptop size screen or desktop
size screen
AT that is used
* custom style - should have a seperate item for text spacing. although
that question is asked later.
slh: separate question on custom styles = how granular to get answers
<laura> Custom styles to change spacing, font face/type face, color, or
elements
<shawn> SLH: want separate item for custom style. do we care about what
they change with the styles? (Would be nice, but maybe or maybe not worth
it :-)
<shawn> SLH: Why have "Do you use custom styles or settings to change the
default text spacing, such as letter/word spacing, line height, or
paragraph spacing?" as a separate question further down? Probably better
with the "Which of the following do you frequently use?" question
sr: remove software from screen magnifier
<steverep> Use "Screen magnifier (excluding browser zoom)"
jon: could be hand held, or OS magnifier,
sr: separate screen magnifier (not browser zoom) from browser zoom
wd: always surprise at level of knowledge or lack of knowledge of browsers
and modifications to behavior
sr: magnifying glass vs software
primary screen reader
jim: should they include Fusion, Talkback - too many android screen readers
jon: other needs a blank for more info
... have different screen readers for different platforms. Perhaps a list =
check all that apply
keyboard
<shawn> consider putting next to each other "How often do you use the
keyboard for web page navigation?" and "Do you use software or browser
extensions that allow navigation by headings?" as they are related
jim: dropdowns hard cognitively
mobile platform
jim: Nokia?? are they still out there
wd: jitterbug
... for age related
Accessibility settings
jim: good question
jon: is large text an accessibility setting.
... accessibility settings - (including large text) many people don't
consider large text an accessibility setting
voice assistant
jon: not accessibility setting - adjust contrast - lower or increase
brightness.
wd: changing brightness by time of day
jon: lots of disabled folk use these.
slh: why asking this quesiton?
jon: think its a useful question
sr: wonder if getting at general use or as a replacement for typing or app
usage. Functional use vs playing music
magnification level
wd: important to ask correctly.
jon: depends on device. each platform are different, change resolution
(800x600), change font size, etc.
... would answer 200%
slh: have system settings (resolution, dpi, etc) then browser zoom,
combination is larger that just browser zoom
<shawn> slh: also have system settings *and* browser magnification -- but
less than 200%. seems you have to ask about system settings first
laura: may make the question too complicated. most don't know this stuff
<shawn> SLH: realize mostpeople won't know. However, if just ask browser
zoom, then you're not getting accurate data
question: do you adjust system settings to meet your needs... yes/no/i
don't know
<shawn> SLH: "I don't know" is good info to know!
<shawn> SLH: answers: 1. I don't know, 2. I don't change any settings, 3...
laura - no response and I don't know are different things... should be
separate.
custom stylesnav by headings
wd: interesting question. I turn on silent screen reader
... add "I didn't know they existed"
<jon_avila> Thanks all. I have to drop off.
wd: dealing with people who don't know you can do so many things.
accessibility feelings
wd: responsive design is making things look better
laura: reorder questions. put most important ones first.
wd: people used to demographics first. use headings to separate info.
social media
slh: why?
wayne: its a pain. avoid it, too hard to use with low vision. too many
columns, can't enlarge
... not sure if its accessibility or I avoid reading
custom styles
<shawn> Which of the following do you frequently use? (Select all that
apply)
<shawn> [_] Screen reader
<shawn> [_] Screen magnifier software
<shawn> [_] Browser page zoom (zooms all page content)
<shawn> [_] Browser text size settings
<shawn> [_] High contrast mode or settings
<shawn> [_] Browser settings to change colors
<shawn> [_] Custom styles (for example with Stylish, Stylus, and user style
sheets)
<shawn> [_] Other: ______
<shawn> If you use custom styles (for example with Stylish, Stylus, and
user style sheets), what do you change:
<shawn> [_] Font size
<shawn> [_] Font family
<shawn> [_] Font weight
<shawn> [_] Background and/or text color
<shawn> [_] Line height
<shawn> [_] Letter or word spacing
<shawn> [_] Spacing around paragraphs, headings, etc.
<shawn> [_] Element-level customization (for example, different styles for
different heading levels) [_] Other: [______________________________]
<shawn> What type of font do you usually use for paragraphs (or large
blocks of text).?
<shawn> [_] Serif (e.g., Times New Roman, Georgia, Bookman)
<shawn> [_] Sans-serif (e.g., Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Tahoma)
<shawn> [ fyi, background for this question:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/text-customization/r14]
wayne: separate question do you know about custom styles
Thank You JARED!! and webAIM!!!
<shawn> before "[_] Font size" *maybe* put "[_] I don't know how to use
custom stlyes" and possibly "[_] I know how to use custom stlyes, but don't
use them"
<shawn> [ Shawn would welcome the opportunity to review revised draft ]
<shawn> [ Shawn will check back through LVTF User Needs and TAdER survey to
see if other suggestions ]
wd: there is a sweet spot between font size, family, letter spacing, word
spacing. try to stay within 1.2 times font size
... find the balance. the paramaters interact,
<shawn> Under "Which of the following types of visual impairment do you
have?" Do you want to add "Field of vision limitations (peripheral field
loss, central field loss, or other)"? It is one of the categories that we
describe in https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#visfie -- however maybe
less relevant for this survey?
<shawn> Undr "Which of the following do you frequently use?" Do you want to
add "[_] Screen brightness - lower" and "[_] Screen brightness - higher".
It's one of the user needs in
https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#brightness-overall -- however,
maybe less relevant for this survey?
<shawn> [ Shawn will start e-mail thread about printing to be archived here
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2018Aug/thread.html
]
<shawn> fyi, here are the things I asked in my survey a while ago:
http://tader.info/survey1304.html
<shawn> One of the questions that I found useful for helping show web
designers and developers the importance of text customization is:
<shawn> "
<shawn> Question: Do you quit reading information from the computer (such
as an article on the web or instructions in PDF) and not finish it, just
because the text is too hard to read comfortably?
<shawn> Answer choices:
<shawn> Half of the respondents got: Never, Rarely - a few times a year,
Occasionally - a few times a month, Sometimes - a few times a week, Often
every day
<shawn> Half of the respondents got: Often every day, Sometimes - a few
times a week, Occasionally - a few times a month, Rarely - a few times a
year, Never
<shawn> "
<shawn> Not sure if this type of question would fit in this survey. If so,
I think the data would be very helpful.
Summary of Action ItemsSummary of Resolutions[End of minutes]
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Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9452 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
Received on Thursday, 16 August 2018 17:33:18 UTC