Re: Issue 78 SC text (was Re: Post-Minutes update)

Hi Jim,

I've updated the SC Wiki page with the new short name [1], SC text
[2], and tweaked the description [3].

If everyone can live with it, could you please update the GitHub issue
to match so we can get input from the full AG Working Group?

Thank you.

Kindest Regards,
Laura

[1] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Ability_to_Override#SC_Shortname
[2] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Ability_to_Override#SC_Text
[3] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Ability_to_Override#Description

On 2/10/17, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alastair and all,
>
> Yes. It certainly seems the discussion is going in circles. I proposed
> we go with the following with no note:
>
> SC Short name:
> Adapting text
>
> SC Text:
> No loss of content or functionality on a webpage is caused by overriding:
>
> 1. font family to Verdana, or
> 2. foreground and background to white on black, or
> 3. line height of all text to 1.5, letter spacing to 0.12em, and word
> spacing to 0.16em.
>
> Can anyone not live with that?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
>
> On 2/10/17, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote:
>>> Wayne would like Verdana removed from the SC text and put into the
>>> testing
>>> section or a failure technique.
>>
>> That is where we started, but Gregg (at least) said if it can’t be tested
>> true/false from the SC text, it won’t meet the SC criteria. You can flesh
>> things out in the understanding doc, but the SC needs to be a true/false
>> statement.
>>
>>
>>> Shawn is concerned about including the note and would like it removed
>>
>> I agree, with VIP reader around we don’t have to worry about cross
>> technology support.
>> I understand that reader won’t open all PDFs, but neither will Acrobat
>> reflow all PDFs, and I guess for the same reason?
>> It is possible to author a document that can open in VIP, that should be
>> enough.
>>
>>
>>> Jim suggested removing the word "webpage" to take the "technology" out.
>>
>> Webpage is the basic unit of WCAG testing, it is listing under ‘important
>> terms’ at the top!
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#new-terms
>>
>>> Wayne suggested taking the hyphens out of line-height, letter-spacing
>>> and
>>> word-spacing.
>>
>> I guess that reduces the direct reference to CSS, which is probably a
>> good
>> thing?
>>
>>
>>> No loss of content or functionality is caused by overriding:
>>>
>>> 1. font family, or
>>> 2. foreground and background to a single different foreground color and
>>> a
>>> single different background color, or
>>> 3. line height of all text to 1.5, letter spacing to 0.12em, and word
>>> spacing to 0.16em.
>>
>> If my team tests a page with Verdana and black & white, and another team
>> tests the same page with “Latin Wide” (or some other very differently
>> sized
>> font) and purple and green, we will get different results.
>>
>> Not due to subjectivity, but objectively different results.
>>
>> Given where these SCs are used (including for lawsuits), I think Gregg is
>> right to say we need normative testability.
>>
>> If there were some way to state the requirement without a specific
>> font/color/size value and still have it be testable, that would be great.
>> But it has to be a content requirement, not a user-requirement, and that
>> means specific values.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -Alastair
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>


-- 
Laura L. Carlson

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