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Re: Linked Data discussions require better communication

From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:02:28 -0400
Message-ID: <51C4E994.3010405@dbooth.org>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
CC: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>, Luca Matteis <lmatteis@gmail.com>, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, "Courtney, Paul K." <Paul_Courtney@dfci.harvard.edu>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
On 06/21/2013 10:25 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 6/21/13 10:15 AM, David Booth wrote:
[ . . . ]
>> The only sensible interpretation of the stars is that they indicate
>> milestones of progress *toward* "Linked Open Data" -- *not* that there
>> are five levels of Linked Open Data.
>
> That makes sense. Thus, why can't you accept the same thinking if we
> look at RDF unique selling points as part of such a journey too?

Because just as the goals of the web cannot be achieved by having "a 
journey toward URIs", the goals of the Semantic Web cannot be achieved 
by having "a journey toward RDF".  RDF is *fundamental* to the Semantic 
Web, just as URIs are *fundamental* to the Web.  RDF is the universal 
data model that enables Semantic Web data to be meaningfully combined by 
automated applications.  That *cannot* be done without either: (a) a 
boat load of artificial intelligence and processing power that is out of 
reach of most mortals; (b) a dramatic new discovery that the world has 
not yet seen; or (c) a universal data model.

>
> What's wrong with folks arriving at points in the continuum where RDF's
> virtues kick-in without actually being aware of RDF?

Nobody has claimed that people must be *aware* of RDF for a document to 
be standards-interpretable as RDF.  Indeed, it seems very likely that 
*many* JSON-LD users will be unaware that JSON-LD is actually RDF in 
addition to being JSON.  The important point is just that the data *be* 
standards-interpretable as RDF.  Whether or not it *looks* to the 
untrained eye like RDF is quite irrelevant.

>
> BTW -- I still don't know if you accept the world view outlined in my
> venn diagram [1]. I don't want to misquote you, so at the very least,
> could you confirm if you agree with the venn diagram or not.

No, I do not.

David

>
> Links:
>
> 1. http://bit.ly/16EVFVG -- how Structured Data (Linked Data), Predicate
> Logic (RDF), and Identifiers (URIs) are related.
>
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