- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:34:45 -0400
- To: public-lod@w3.org
- Message-ID: <51BF80F5.501@openlinksw.com>
On 6/17/13 5:26 PM, David Wood wrote: > Nicely done, Kingsley! That is an excellent exploration of the > boundaries. > > Yes, it is RDF (of course), but crappy RDF since the predicates are > hardly likely to be reused by others or even mapped via owl:sameAs. > > Yes, it is Linked Data, but crappy Linked Data because it doesn't link > out to anything. The bogus Content-Type is something we have (almost) > all learned to live with. > > Crappy != broken, but it is still crappy ;-) Amen! Kingsley > > Regards, > Dave > -- > http://about.me/david_wood > > > > On Jun 17, 2013, at 14:17, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com > <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > >> On 6/17/13 1:35 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >>> It's number 3 because it's RDF (Turtle) and it's using URIs to >>> describe things. And links to other data. >> Let's put aside the Turtle assumption debate since it (like Media >> Type) doesn't have any concrete bearing on this exercise. >> >> How about the document denoted by this URI/URL: >> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/DropBox/Public/Linked%20Data%20Resources/linked-data-rdf-test2.ttl> >> >> >> Is that an RDF document? If not, is it a Linked Data document? Or is >> it neither? >> >> >> Kingsley >>> >>> Can you make your point more clearly rather than answering my >>> question with other questions? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Kingsley Idehen >>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On 6/17/13 1:09 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >>>> What makes it RDF is that you can take the contents of this URL >>>> and stick it in any popular RDF parser and it will parse it for >>>> you. >>>> >>>> It's still bad quality Linked Data because it's missing >>>> mime-types. Anyway back to my initial question "How do you >>>> produce Linked Data without RDF?" >>> >>> To cleanup this experiment, here's a URI/URL that denotes a >>> version of the file (note: there where some errors in the >>> initial document e.g. "." where I meant to have ";") on my server: >>> >>> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/DropBox/Public/Linked%20Data%20Resources/linked-data-rdf-test.ttl> >>> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/DropBox/Public/Linked%20Data%20Resources/linked-data-rdf-test.ttl> >>> . >>> >>> You can also just copy and past the content to your document to >>> yours. >>> >>> Back to the question and exercise, what's the defining >>> characteristic that makes either of our documents (denoted by >>> their respective URI/URLs) RDF documents, specifically? Here are >>> some document type options to select from: >>> >>> 1. Structured Data >>> 2. Structured Data adhering to Linked Data principles >>> 3. RDF based Structured Data adhering to Linked Data principles. >>> >>> >>> Note, I am not expecting Media Types to play any role in this >>> experiment. >>> >>> Kingsley >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Kingsley Idehen >>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6/17/13 12:51 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >>>>> Done: http://codepad.org/7REcSynR/raw.txt >>>>> >>>>> That's still RDF so I don't get your point. >>>> >>>> Really? How? >>>> >>>> curl -I http://codepad.org/7REcSynR/raw.txt >>>> >>>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:57:10 GMT >>>> Server: Apache >>>> Pragma: no-cache >>>> Cache-Control: no-cache >>>> Content-Disposition: attachment >>>> Content-Length: 427 >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> >>>> What makes it RDF? >>>> >>>> Related: >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity–attribute–value_model >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%E2%80%93attribute%E2%80%93value_model> >>>> -- EAV >>>> 2. http://bit.ly/YTdz3N - Peter Chen's circa. 1976 >>>> dissertation that covers unified views of data (note: a >>>> simple example of these concepts that even predate the >>>> World Wide Web). >>>> >>>> Kingsley >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Kingsley Idehen >>>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 6/17/13 11:02 AM, Luca Matteis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Kingsley Idehen >>>>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com >>>>>> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Linked Data is also something you can produce, >>>>>> without any knowledge of RDF. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean "without any knowledge of RDF"? How >>>>>> do you produce Linked Data without RDF? Please give >>>>>> us an example before making statements on behalf of >>>>>> the community. >>>>> If you recall (earlier today) I presented you with a >>>>> simple exercise which would answer the question you've >>>>> posed above, demonstrably. >>>>> >>>>> Here's that I posted: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Webby Structured Data: >>>>> >>>>> Simply copy and paste the following to a Web >>>>> accessible location (URL) and then share the URL via a >>>>> response to this mail. If you can't then simply let me >>>>> know and I'll do that for you. >>>>> >>>>> ## Structured Data Representation using Turtle Notation ## >>>>> >>>>> <> >>>>> a <#Document> . >>>>> <#mentions> "Linked Data" , "Linked Data", "Semantic >>>>> Web", "Inference Reasoning", "Web". >>>>> <#comment> "A mailing list post about Linked Data and >>>>> RDF". >>>>> <#seeAlso> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linked_data> >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linked_data>, >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/RDF> >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/RDF>, >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web> >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web>, >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/World_Wide_Web> >>>>> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/World_Wide_Web> >>>>> >>>>> ## End ## >>>>> >>>>> What is the above to you? >>>>> >>>>> 1. Webby Structured Data -- constructable using basic >>>>> knowledge of Entity Relationship Models e.g. EAV >>>>> (Entity-Attribute-Value based structured data >>>>> representation) >>>>> 2. RDF based Structured Data -- i.e., structured data >>>>> endowed with machine- and human-comprehensible entity >>>>> relationship semantics as defined by RDF (a framework). >>>>> >>>>> Related: >>>>> >>>>> 1. >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity–attribute–value_model >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%96attribute%96value_model> >>>>> -- EAV >>>>> 2. http://bit.ly/YTdz3N - Peter Chen's circa. 1976 >>>>> dissertation that covers unified views of data (note: >>>>> a simple example of these concepts that even predate >>>>> the World Wide Web). >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Kingsley Idehen >>>>> Founder & CEO >>>>> OpenLink Software >>>>> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com <http://www.openlinksw.com/> >>>>> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> >>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen >>>>> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >>>>> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Kingsley Idehen >>>> Founder & CEO >>>> OpenLink Software >>>> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com <http://www.openlinksw.com/> >>>> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> >>>> Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen >>>> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >>>> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kingsley Idehen >>> Founder & CEO >>> OpenLink Software >>> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com <http://www.openlinksw.com/> >>> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> >>> Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen >>> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >>> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen >> Founder & CEO >> OpenLink Software >> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com >> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >> Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen >> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >> >> >> >> > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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