Re: RDF's challenge

On 11 June 2013 21:40, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com> wrote:

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> We have successfully used two different tools in this realm:
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> 1. JSON-LD.  This doesn't quite fit your definition, but JSON-LD is an
> easy to produce and consume RDF serialization.  http://www.json-ld.org/
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> 2.  RdfQuery. A JQuery extension that handles various RDF serializations.
> https://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/
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Did you try:

https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/


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> Hope that helps,
>
> Rob
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> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Sven R.Kunze <
> sven.kunze@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote:
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>> You said TOOLs. That’s correct. I’d like a way to natively work with RDF
>> graphs on Web browsers as I can do it with rdflib in Python or with
>> Virtuoso and SPARQL on the server side.
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>> I do not wanna care about the serialization as I have the abstract model
>> that gives me everything I need to work with. If a framework needs to
>> serialize RDF into what ever form the client needs, so be it. What does it
>> have to do with me?
>>
>> However, I never found such solution for Web clients. Usually, I have to
>> convert my triples to some ’native’ Web formats like JSON or XML that the
>> other side has to parse by some non-abstract way in order to create its
>> fancy presentation. That increases the complexity tremendously.
>>
>> Sven
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>> *Von:* Kingsley Idehen
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 11. Juni 2013 19:36
>> *An:* public-lod@w3.org
>>
>> On 6/11/13 12:58 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
>> > Nicely put, David.
>> > I have heard people going the other way and disconnecting them, however.
>> > That is, suggesting that Linked Data does not need to be RDF, which I
>> do find confuses people (and me!)
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>> It isn't all or nothing.
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>> It just means you don't always have to start with RDF when trying to
>> explain or demonstrate the virtues of Linked Data.
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>> RDF's real contribution lies in enabling machines to understand the
>> relationship semantics that are used to construct the web-like
>> structured data.
>>
>> You can construct 5-Star Linked Data endowed with coarse-grained (rather
>> than fine-grained) entity relationship semantics without any knowledge
>> of RDF whatsoever. All you need is TimBLs original meme (which outlines
>> how to use HTTP URIs to enhance structured data representation) or
>> fundamental knowledge of how to use pointers to enhance structured data
>> representation. BTW --  many Web developers actually have this kind of
>> knowledge without every digesting an RDF related spec.
>>
>> Again: I make these comments to encourage flexibility in our approaches
>> to Linked Data evangelism etc... Linked Data is a powerful conduit to
>> RDF and beyond. It doesn't have to be confined to RDF -- since they are
>> both useful in their own rights.
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>> There's also lots of RDF out there where none of the IRIs resolve. They
>> still deliver value, even if said value doesn't scale to the World Wide
>> Web.
>>
>> Kingsley
>> >
>> > On 11 Jun 2013, at 16:56, David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
>> >   wrote:
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>> >> On 06/11/2013 10:59 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> >>> [ . . . ]  many RDF advocates
>> >>> want to conflate Linked Data and RDF. This is technically wrong, and
>> >>> marketing wise -- an utter disaster.
>> >> I have not heard RDF advocates conflating Linked Data and RDF, but
>> maybe you talk to different RDF advocates than me.
>> >>
>> >> AFAICT, the vast majority of RDF advocates know that Linked Data is
>> RDF in which URIs are deferenceable to more RDF, but RDF is not necessarily
>> Linked Data, because RDF itself does not require URIs to be dereferenceable.
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
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>> Regards,
>>
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