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Re: Linked Data Dogfood circa. 2013

From: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:37:57 +0100
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To: Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>
Cc: public-lod@w3.org
Hi Sarven

Spot on, and could have been asked (and applied) since many years indeed!

Just a reminder that XML folks have forced presenters at XML conferences to
eat their dog food for at least 10 years.
Remember at least to have submitted for XML Europe 2002 in this format, and
maybe even at XML 2001.
For the former at least, the CFP is still on-line
"A version of the paper MUST also be written in XML for publication in the
CD ROM and Web site conference proceedings. XML authoring software will be
provided. Further instructions will follow upon acceptance."


2013/1/8 Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>

> On 01/04/2013 02:02 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 1/3/13 7:50 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2013 12:34 AM, Bernard Vatant wrote:
>>>> Dog Food People
>>>> http://data.semanticweb.org/**person/<http://data.semanticweb.org/person/>
>>> [Off topic]
>>> Given that the people in that list originally published their papers
>>> using anything but machine friendly Web practices, would anyone care
>>> to enlighten me the dogfood bit in "Dog Food People"?
>>> I do think that data.semanticweb.org is doing a great thing i.e., they
>>> are the ones dogfooding! It is unfortunately a limited "patch" to a
>>> problem that the Semantic Web / Linked Data community is too careless
>>> to tackle head on!
>>> -Sarven
>>>  [On topic]
>> So why don't we all make a concerted effort in 2013 to clean up these
>> kinds of issues. Basically, let's make dogfooding meaningful since its
>> the ultimate demonstrator of technology utility :-)
> Enter Sarven's Rant:
> I acknowledge that sometimes it is indeed complicated (e.g., too many
> variables) to eat our own dogfood in every corner, when faced with all the
> business' needs, for whatever reasons they may be. I don't wish to debate
> whether the solutions that SW/LD offers are realistic enough or can be
> fulfilled or not. We use the tools we can to get the work done. Everyone
> does what they can.
> However, what's frustrating to see, not to mention the ongoing facepalms,
> is the situation that the self-proclaimed SW/LD conferences and academia
> puts themselves into.
> Every year, the conferences primarily requests the research work to be
> submitted in PDF/Word and then maybe the source in LaTeX for camera-ready
> versions which is then handed off to the (print) publishers. Similarly,
> that's what happens in academia too.
> That is precisely what data.semanticweb.org is "patching", the bits the
> SW/LD community shouldn't be intentionally breaking in the first place. It
> is not good enough to get some metadata when all is said and done. What's
> that? The leftover from the conferences and publishers? G, thanks, but, no
> thanks, we can do better. We ought to do better.
> All the value in research work is locked up in desktop-friendly formats
> (yes, Google showing a preview of the PDFs is a hack too) or maybe gets
> printed for others researchers to consume from. But, wait a minute, wasn't
> the SW/LD community fighting to get machines to do something? You know it
> exactly as I do. We need to get a hold of all that awesome information in
> those papers; from hypotheses, results, claims, conclusions, references,
> to.. in a way that we can point at it.
> Is the current situation seriously something we can't fix or improve on?
> Is the community at the mercy of cool conferences, organizations,
> publishers, academia or die hard followers of archaic methods?
> How about a possible solution to steer towards in the right direction:
> * SW/LD conferences asks research work to be submitted *first* in a
> machine-friendly format (e.g., HTML+RDFa); if you are responsible for its
> organization, please make it right and first serve the *Web* community.
> Otherwise, you are the ones that's holding things back!
> * If you are an author, researcher, or whatever, put your word where your
> mouth is and *first* publish it on the Web yourself and make sure it is
> machine friendly. Give its URI to the conference or your academic
> institution. Otherwise, you are the ones that's holding things back!
> * If you are an SW/LD academic supervisor, ask and encourage your students
> to publish or submit their work in such fashion. Otherwise, you are the
> ones that's holding things back!
> Do your bit :)
> -Sarven

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