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Re: annotations and RDF

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:53:55 -0500
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kAUT51WfgfWE=ZokkSw+Gt88KMOm=8u68K9f-HCxQUF_w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Matteo Casu <mattecasu@gmail.com>
Cc: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>, public-lod@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org
Hi Matteo,
you can do both. You can use begin/end or prefix/suffix. It depends on your
For instance, if I want to be able to transfer the Domeo annotation from
HTML to PDF I need to use prefix/suffix.
If the content you are annotating does not have problems of normalization
you can use begin/end.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Matteo Casu <mattecasu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paolo,
> my concerning was about the "info for detecting the text fragment": do you
> use a begin/end approach on the document (as in UIMA) without storing the
> body of the text? If it is so, then everything is clear to me.
> Forgive me, my point of view is still unripe on the subject, so probably
> I'm just getting caught into a false problem.. :-)
> Il giorno 07/feb/2013, alle ore 14:54, Paolo Ciccarese <
> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hi Matteo,
> in the Domeo Annotation Tool http://annotationframework.org we do exactly
> that. We create annotation on text fragment(s), images, tables and we store
> the annotation, together with the info for detecting the text fragments in
> a RDF in a separate store. In fact, most of hte times we do not control the
> pages we are looking at. We also use CiTO and FaBIO for storing the
> bibliographic data and those are based on FRBR.
> Could you give me a concrete example of the duplication problem you are
> mentioning at the end?
> Best,
> Paolo
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Matteo Casu <mattecasu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Robert!
>> I've just seen what I think is the new draft (february 5th). I will go
>> through it! In the meantime, I'm wondering what you think on the problem of
>> keeping all the annotations of a text in RDF vs. keeping them in a separate
>> store and bind them to entities in the RDF.
>> The use case I have in mind is: imagine a book, say The Lord of the
>> Rings. Assume we want to annotate domain information in RDF (characters,
>> actions, etc..) as well as linguistic (or "librarian")-oriented
>> annotations: paragraphs, lines, pages (in order to make citations..), down
>> to lemmas and so on..
>> We could follow the FRBR model and keep in an RDF graph the domain
>> information AND some librarian information. But what about the annotations
>> on text as -- say -- links between a character and the lines on which they
>> appear?Should these be RDF statements? What about the the problem of text
>> duplications in annotations which are not independent (e.g. lemmas and
>> sentences)?
>> Have you (as a community) a definite idea on this issue or perhaps is
>> something which is still under observation?
>> Il giorno 04/feb/2013, alle ore 21:37, Robert Sanderson <
>> azaroth42@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>> > Hi Matteo,
>> >
>> > The Annotation Ontology has merged with Open Annotation Collaboration
>> > in the W3C community group:
>> >  http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
>> >
>> > And Paolo is co-chair along with myself.
>> >
>> > We're *just* about to release the next version of the Community Group
>> > draft, so your interest comes at a great time.
>> > The NIF folk are also part of the Community Group, and we of course
>> > would encourage your participation as well!
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> >
>> > Rob Sanderson
>> > (Open Annotation Community Group co-chair)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Matteo Casu <mattecasu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Hi everybody,
>> >>
>> >> [my apologies for cross posting -- possibly of interest for both
>> communities]
>> >>
>> >> does anybody could point me to the major pros and cons in using the
>> Annotation Ontology [0] [1] vs. the NLP interchange format in the context
>> of annotating (portions of) literary texts? My impression is that when
>> someone is using UIMA, the integration of AO with Clerezza-UIMA could give
>> more comfort wrt NiF.
>> >>
>> >> [0] http://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/
>> >> [1] http://www.annotationframework.org/
>> >> [2] http://nlp2rdf.org/about
>> >>

Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
Instructor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School
Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
Member of the MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
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