- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:49:27 -0400
- To: public-lod@w3.org
- Message-ID: <51801237.10207@openlinksw.com>
On 4/30/13 2:18 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: > Kingsley, > > Hold on I don't get it. We're talking about the entry-point for Linked > Data information, which is linkeddata.org <http://linkeddata.org> Do am I. That's a data space on the Web. Ideally, it should exemplify the "deceptive simplicity" of Linked Data. It should be a place where resources are created, edited, and deleted using the file create, save, and share pattern. It's most basic front door should look like the file manager view on your desktop [1]. Different identities will have different privileges with regards to document creation, editing, and deletion. All documents created in this data space would bear Linked Data based content, of course some of this could be coarse and in other cases fine-grained, it doesn't really matter. > > Of course then we will link to other resources and sites (just as the > site is doing now). I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. > > What problem are you trying to solve exactly? Using Linked Data to bring linkeddata.org back to life. > We're simply trying to make linkeddata.org <http://linkeddata.org> > more open and accessible. And nothing I am suggesting is contrary to that goal. Links: 1. http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/ -- that's a simply example of the file create, save, and share pattern with a conventional directory browse UI 2. http://bit.ly/119fsdg -- simple example of how Web resource access and control can be driven Linked Data. Kingsley > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kingsley Idehen > <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > > On 4/30/13 12:51 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> >> Yes I have been discussing with Stéphane as well. Hopefully we >> can get things going. >> >> About the willingness to participate, if we make the system open >> enough (but with spam control) then we really don't need to be >> setting goals about the community's willingness to participate. >> It will create a spontaneous collaborative environment. >> >> That's why I favor a wiki system. But Drupal works very similarly >> to wikis, right? So no need to change the technology. Just more >> open and user-friendly signup system is enough for now. >> >> Luca > > All, > > Circa. 2013 we have Web Access Controls and verifiable Identity > that scales to the Web. Basically, these are applications of the > very technology we are encouraging the world to explore and > implement. If we don't use these technologies ourselves why should > be in any position to ask others to use this technology. > > Here's what we have: > > 1. WebID -- HTTP URI that denotes Agents > > 2. WebID Profile Document -- the content of this document > describes an entity denoted by a WebID > > 3. An X.509 Certificate that includes a WebID in its Subject > Alternative Name slot -- this is for all intents and purposes a > local profile graph installed to a secure location on your > machine, alongside an associated private key that's paired with > said certificate's public key > > 4. WebID+TLS -- uses RDF based entity relationship semantics and > PKI to authenticate a WebID > > 5. Web Access Control Ontology -- describes resource access controls. > > How do you make it work hassle free? > > 1. Get a WebID from an WebID Identity Provider -- there are > several (a WebID supporting IdP will take the tedium out of steps > 1-4 above) > 2. Use a content management system that supports resource access > controls based on the combined use of a WebID and the Web Access > Control Ontology -- there are a number of these around. > > Tom: you know how to get a hold of me, so lets get this domain > back to what we aspired it would be circa. 2007 in Banff :-) > > Links: > > 1. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID -- WebID Information Portal > 2. http://id.myopenlink.net/certgen -- simple WebID generator > 3. http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/webid_demo.html -- simple WebID > verifier > 2. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl -- Web Access Controls. > > > Kingsley >> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Tom Heath <tom.heath@theodi.org >> <mailto:tom.heath@theodi.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi Yury, Luca, all, >> >> There's a separate, off-list thread going on at the moment with >> Stéphane Corlosquet, who has offered to help maintain the >> site (and >> now has admin rights) -- thanks Stéphane! >> >> You're right, the site is very stale. As I've said many times >> before, >> I'm open to any suggestions about how to use the domain for the >> greatest benefit of the community. So, all ideas welcomed, >> though they >> have to include a willingness to participate and a plan for >> how to >> actually get the work done on an ongoing basis. As history >> shows I'm >> too busy right now to participate regularly :( >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tom. >> >> >> On 30 April 2013 14:28, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com >> <mailto:katkov.juriy@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > It seems like the website is abandoned. It's strange that >> the diagram is not >> > developing as well: it is the most common Power Point slide >> in every >> > Semantic Web-related presentation :) >> > ----- >> > Yury Katkov, WikiVote >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Luca Matteis >> <lmatteis@gmail.com <mailto:lmatteis@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I was wondering if we could make http://linkeddata.org/ a >> bit more open & >> >> community friendly. Currently I find its contents a bit >> outdated. For >> >> example, the Research page only contains content from >> 2009. I think a >> >> "Community" page is missing where we could have links to >> G+, Twitter and IRC >> >> communities. Also we could have a page for Meetups and >> conferences around >> >> LOD. >> >> >> >> I find the OpenID log in to be a bit unfriendly. There's >> many people who >> >> have never heard of this technology, and it is a bit >> overwhelming to have to >> >> copy & paste an OpenID url in order to log in to the website. >> >> >> >> Tom Heath seems to be the administrator, so perhaps we can >> discuss about a >> >> better Wiki system for the site? Maybe Semantic Wiki ;)? >> >> >> >> Let me know what you think! >> >> >> >> Luca >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr Tom Heath >> Data Scientist >> Open Data Institute >> http://theodi.org/ >> >> > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen > Founder & CEO > OpenLink Software > Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com > Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen > Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about > LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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