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Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

From: Elena Simperl <elena.simperl@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:59:34 +0200
Message-ID: <4FE38B36.8050700@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de>
To: Oscar Corcho <ocorcho@fi.upm.es>
CC: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com>, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
Am 21.06.2012 00:19, schrieb Oscar Corcho:
> Sorry that I have not been able to follow this thread, but now that 
> Elena pointed out to some work that we have been doing in the 
> validation of geographical links, I can share my view.
>
> In my opinion it is not always easy to generate a game with a purpose 
> that actually engages people in some of these tasks, and the 
> difficulty lies exactly in finding good games for that. I was trying 
> the ones sent by Jens but could not find easily what to do, but this 
> doesn't mean anything else than given how busy I was when checking I 
> had not enough time to spend on trying to understand well the game (I 
> am probably not the person that this type of game is addressing).
>
> In the meantime, anyway, I think that using some form of "human 
> computation" is still something that can be applied (we are doing it 
> successfully for our link validation tasks for linked geographical 
> data, as pointed by Elena here 
> http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es:8080/sameAs/, and people are very good at 
> checking those things).
>
> Oscar
>
> PS: Again, sorry for having missed the thread and not being able to 
> read through it quickly given the high traffic that it has generated. 
> I hope not to have repeated something that was already said, or not to 
> open many other threads ;-)
I think that both Oscar and Martin are right that finding a good game 
plot for arbitrary Semantic Web or Linked Data tasks is not trivial; the 
enthusiasm that this community shows to the general idea of gamification 
is understandable, but one needs to be aware of the risks. Putting aside 
the fact that it is not always obvious why certain games are successful 
and other not (it still remains an art, more than just engineering...), 
games development can be highly costly, especially if you want to add 
more badges and other gimmicks  any other time so that players do not 
get bored and leave. I would disagree that domains like biology cannot 
be addressed with this approach. Examples such as Eterna [1], FoldIt [2] 
and Philo [3] demonstrate the opposite; astronomy, cultural heritage and 
media provide other examples, but what all these success stories share 
is, besides an excellent idea for a game plot, a real problem in a given 
vertical domain which the community of interest associated with that 
domain (be that experts or laymen) is intrinsically motivated to solve. 
The approach that the Semantic Web field is following is less 
convincing, because we first pick an abstract task (say, interlinking or 
information extraction) and then build a game in some (sometimes 
arbitrarily chosen) domain, without having direct access to the 
domain-specific communities of interest, who would be the actual players.

[1] http://eterna.cmu.edu/
[2] http://fold.it/
[3] http://phylo.cs.mcgill.ca
>
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> Oscar Corcho
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> De: Elena Simperl <elena.simperl@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de 
> <mailto:elena.simperl@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de>>
> Fecha: miércoles 20 de junio de 2012 17:49
> Para: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com <mailto:gannon_dick@yahoo.com>>
> CC: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com 
> <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>>, Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com 
> <mailto:leigh@ldodds.com>>, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com 
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>>, "public-lod@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>, Oscar Corcho <ocorcho@fi.upm.es 
> <mailto:ocorcho@fi.upm.es>>
> Asunto: Re: Can we create better links by playing games?
> Nuevo envío de: <public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
> Fecha de nuevo envío: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:50:10 +0000
>
> Am 20.06.2012 17:10, schrieb Gannon Dick:
>> I think the "games" are very helpful for geo classification.  Meta 
>> data links are a monte carlo integration.  The further you step back 
>> to include more identifiers the less discriminating the identifiers 
>> become, and some may be ignored, or replaced with an unlinked generic 
>> substitution.  The worldview of a Football Fan and a Government 
>> Policy Wonk don't begin the same, but they can end with the same 
>> organization.
>> http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/cctld/psp/
>>
>> I really liked the SmartCities idea.
>> --Gannon
> There is also work done by UPM in Madrid on validating links between 
> geospatial data sets using human computation
>
> http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es:8080/sameAs/ (just pick a random user id, 
> and a data set).
>
>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com>
>> *Cc:* Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>; public-lod@w3.org
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:51 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Can we create better links by playing games?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 June 2012 15:46, Leigh Dodds <leigh@ldodds.com 
>> <mailto:leigh@ldodds.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho
>>     <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
>>     <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote:
>>     >>>
>>     >>> [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE
>>     Intelligent Systems,
>>     >>> Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/, still work?
>>     The more data
>>     >> quality oriented games the better re. LOD and the Semantic Web
>>     in general.
>>     >>
>>     >> Others: Are there any other games out there?
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > iand is working on a game:
>>     >
>>     > http://blog.iandavis.com/2012/05/21/wolfie/
>>
>>     Is that relevant? :)
>>
>>
>> I guess I was reaching a bit there :)
>>
>> I think it's just a fun project at the moment.  But you never know 
>> how things will develop, look at the explosion of minecraft.  Also 
>> written by one of the top linked data experts in the world ... so you 
>> can only hope! :)
>>
>> One thing that I think could be really good is if inked geo browser 
>> (also aksw) were somehow gamified.
>>
>>
>>     L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Dr. Elena Simperl
> Assistant Professor
> Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
> t: +49 721 608 45778
> m: +49 1520 1600994
> e:elena.simperl@kit.edu


-- 
Dr. Elena Simperl
Assistant Professor
Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
t: +49 721 608 45778
m: +49 1520 1600994
e: elena.simperl@kit.edu
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