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Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:54:39 +0200
Message-ID: <CAKaEYh+wrUiugEpu6CxyPWV0FERJ=nCOagSzLrstq+Sdzzt5zQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "<public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org>
On 20 June 2012 19:13, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Kingsley,
> I'm all in favour of having good authentication processes, but I have to
> say I smiled at your suggestion that WebID is not complex compared with
> HTTP Auth..
>
> Anyone can find endless examples of how to use HTTP Authentication to
> access things like sameAs.org.
> Any Google search will show you it is going to be something like
> curl --user name:password http://sameas.org/store/games/submit/
>

Yes sending  webid cert is more complex.  Something like:

 wget -qO- --no-check-certificate <URI> --certificate=./webid.cer
--private-key=./webid.key

But it does save having to remember username / pw


> And then the librarian or whoever it is can move on to doing the
> application, which is what they wanted to do, with the distraction of
> access mechanisms.
>
> Note that some of my users have never heard of RDF - sameAs does identity
> management for them, and returns something like JSON.
>
> Of course, as always, if someone who actually wants to use the service
> says they would prefer to use WebID, then I will probably allow it when I
> get a moment, but until then it is way down the list of importance.
>
> Best
> Hugh
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 17:56, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>
> > On 6/20/12 12:38 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
> >> Yes, I could do.
> >> But it would be a barrier, certainly at the moment.
> >> It is much easier for someone to send me a username and password to put
> into their curl, than for to start with, well what you need to do first is
> get a WebID. Now let me tell you what a WebID is…
> >> Simple access is everything.
> >
> > WebID isn't complex. Users get a digital identity card (a Web resource)
> that bears identity claims. These claims are verified cryptographically via
> existing PKI technology that's already backed into all Web browsers.
> >
> > It can be as simple as:
> >
> > 1. http://id.myopenlink.net/certgen
> > 2. http://my-profile.eu .
> >
> > Links:
> >
> > 1. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID -- WebID Info Portal
> > 2. http://delicious.com/kidehen/webid_verifier -- WebID verification
> services
> > 3. http://delicious.com/kidehen/webid_apps+webid_apps -- WebID apps.
> >
> >
> > Kingsley
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 20 Jun 2012, at 17:21, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6/20/12 12:03 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
> >>>> (Sorry to repeat myself :-) )
> >>>> If you want a way of collecting and publishing coref data (or indeed
> any pair data), then I would be happy to provide a
> >>>> http://sameas.org/store/games or whatever, where you could even post
> pairs as they happen.
> >>>> Tell me the name you want, a username and password for the htaccess,
> and Bob's Your Uncle
> >>>> (http://sameas.org/?uri=http://rdf.freebase.com/ns/m.0265wn_)
> >>>>
> >>>> (This is one of the primary reasons for sameas.org - there is a lot
> of coref stuff being generated, but it sits on researchers' and PhD
> students' PCs, etc and never sees the light of day.)
> >>>> Best
> >>>> Hugh
> >>> Hugh,
> >>>
> >>> What about using WebID and WebID based ACLs re. controlled or
> purpose-specific access to this service?
> >>>
> >>> Yesterday, I shared a post [1] on the Read-Write community mailing
> list that showcases an example of this kind of WebID & Linked Data
> exploitation.
> >>>
> >>> Links
> >>>
> >>> 1. http://bit.ly/NNOkNB -- mounting 3rd party storage services into
> my WebID ACL protected personal data space .
> >>>
> >>> Kingsley
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 16:44, Elena Simperl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho:
> >>>>>> On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote:
> >>>>>> [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent
> Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/, still work? The
> more data quality oriented games the better re. LOD and the Semantic Web in
> general.
> >>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the OntoGame games still work, and a more comprehensive list
> of related games is available at http://semanticgames.org/. One of the
> problems I see, however, is that all data collected through such games is
> not accessible or reusable by applications (or in other games, as a matter
> of fact).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Elena
> >>>>>> Others: Are there any other games out there?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> iand is working on a game:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://blog.iandavis.com/2012/05/21/wolfie/
> >>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kingsley Idehen
> >>>>>> Founder & CEO
> >>>>>> OpenLink Software
> >>>>>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> >>>>>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> >>>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
> >>>>>> Google+ Profile:
> https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
> >>>>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Dr. Elena Simperl
> >>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>> Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
> >>>>> t: +49 721 608 45778
> >>>>> m: +49 1520 1600994
> >>>>> e:
> >>>>> elena.simperl@kit.edu
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kingsley Idehen
> >>> Founder & CEO
> >>> OpenLink Software
> >>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> >>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> >>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
> >>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
> >>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kingsley Idehen
> > Founder & CEO
> > OpenLink Software
> > Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> > Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> > Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
> > Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
> > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Hugh Glaser,
>             Web and Internet Science
>             Electronics and Computer Science,
>             University of Southampton,
>             Southampton SO17 1BJ
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>
>
>
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