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Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

From: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:13:59 +0000
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
CC: "<public-lod@w3.org>" <public-lod@w3.org>
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Hi Kingsley,
I'm all in favour of having good authentication processes, but I have to say I smiled at your suggestion that WebID is not complex compared with HTTP Auth..

Anyone can find endless examples of how to use HTTP Authentication to access things like sameAs.org.
Any Google search will show you it is going to be something like
curl --user name:password http://sameas.org/store/games/submit/
And then the librarian or whoever it is can move on to doing the application, which is what they wanted to do, with the distraction of access mechanisms.

Note that some of my users have never heard of RDF - sameAs does identity management for them, and returns something like JSON.

Of course, as always, if someone who actually wants to use the service says they would prefer to use WebID, then I will probably allow it when I get a moment, but until then it is way down the list of importance.

Best
Hugh

On 20 Jun 2012, at 17:56, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

> On 6/20/12 12:38 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
>> Yes, I could do.
>> But it would be a barrier, certainly at the moment.
>> It is much easier for someone to send me a username and password to put into their curl, than for to start with, well what you need to do first is get a WebID. Now let me tell you what a WebID is…
>> Simple access is everything.
> 
> WebID isn't complex. Users get a digital identity card (a Web resource) that bears identity claims. These claims are verified cryptographically via existing PKI technology that's already backed into all Web browsers.
> 
> It can be as simple as:
> 
> 1. http://id.myopenlink.net/certgen
> 2. http://my-profile.eu .
> 
> Links:
> 
> 1. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID -- WebID Info Portal
> 2. http://delicious.com/kidehen/webid_verifier -- WebID verification services
> 3. http://delicious.com/kidehen/webid_apps+webid_apps -- WebID apps.
> 
> 
> Kingsley
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 17:21, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/20/12 12:03 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
>>>> (Sorry to repeat myself :-) )
>>>> If you want a way of collecting and publishing coref data (or indeed any pair data), then I would be happy to provide a
>>>> http://sameas.org/store/games or whatever, where you could even post pairs as they happen.
>>>> Tell me the name you want, a username and password for the htaccess, and Bob's Your Uncle
>>>> (http://sameas.org/?uri=http://rdf.freebase.com/ns/m.0265wn_)
>>>> 
>>>> (This is one of the primary reasons for sameas.org - there is a lot of coref stuff being generated, but it sits on researchers' and PhD students' PCs, etc and never sees the light of day.)
>>>> Best
>>>> Hugh
>>> Hugh,
>>> 
>>> What about using WebID and WebID based ACLs re. controlled or purpose-specific access to this service?
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I shared a post [1] on the Read-Write community mailing list that showcases an example of this kind of WebID & Linked Data exploitation.
>>> 
>>> Links
>>> 
>>> 1. http://bit.ly/NNOkNB -- mounting 3rd party storage services into my WebID ACL protected personal data space .
>>> 
>>> Kingsley
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 16:44, Elena Simperl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho:
>>>>>> On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote:
>>>>>> [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/, still work? The more data quality oriented games the better re. LOD and the Semantic Web in general.
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of the OntoGame games still work, and a more comprehensive list of related games is available at http://semanticgames.org/. One of the problems I see, however, is that all data collected through such games is not accessible or reusable by applications (or in other games, as a matter of fact).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elena
>>>>>> Others: Are there any other games out there?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> iand is working on a game:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://blog.iandavis.com/2012/05/21/wolfie/
>>>>>>  -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>>>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>>>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
>>>>>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>>>>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dr. Elena Simperl
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
>>>>> t: +49 721 608 45778
>>>>> m: +49 1520 1600994
>>>>> e:
>>>>> elena.simperl@kit.edu
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> OpenLink Software
>>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
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>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software
> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
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> 
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