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Re: Linked Data Business Models?

From: Jürgen Jakobitsch <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:15:19 +0200
To: Members Fusepool <members@fusepool.net>
Cc: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1343585719.5100.20.camel@linux-1rgw.site>

i'm going to deposit my use of linked data here and add some comments.

please note, that i'm a one man company, but it's gonna be clearly
visible that the use of linked data is very extensible. 
the promises from 1:n (sql) and SOA have been solved. i'm not going to
write any api, outputting this or another xml, json or whatever format,
that others (data consumers) will need to implement again on the other

see this [1] visualization of my dataport. at the moment i have

1. vocabulary domain (which is very small at the moment, but is in
preparation for being extended extensivly, i'm working on a common terms
vocabulary for the last two years (OpenDirectory) with common simple
terms. in preparation there's a categorization scheme (skos) for use
with "good relations" and organizations [2] as well as an opensource
thesaurus and a standards thesaurus.
2. organization domain, which will cover organizations in the field of
semantic web / linked data
3. schema domain (ontologies and schemas)
4. business domain (with sioc wiki)

if you take a look at the visualization, one can easily see the benefits
of linked data. although i'm not producing data in the million triple
range, i can add domains, subdomains and other things to my liking
without even thinking about an api (silo or hurdle that other need to

i'm simply going to extend my dataport as i see fit, combine all
subdomains with each other, connect to other linked data sources..

in other words i stopped programming for my domains and started
organizing data...

btw. even my bookkeeping fits in that scheme, it will also be online
(protected by webID) soon.

I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT DATA ANYMORE, this chapter is closed.
now can use my energy to build a thesaurus about zen :)

I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT API ANYMORE. sparql endpoint is in place.
i even have an own template engine (JSP-Writer for OpenRDF Sesame)
which fullfills all my needs.

I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT UPDATING MY DATA. since i all have it in one place,
i also only need to edit it in one place. see here for example [3], my
user page in a semantic media wiki with data from my domain.

honestly, i don't really understand, why people, organizations (small or
big) do NOT use linked data.

wkr turnguard

[1] http://visualization.turnguard.com/protovis/sunburst.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/

On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 15:37 +0200, Members Fusepool wrote:
> When reading through this list (not just this thread), where a naive
> observer would locate LOD's most vocal enthusiasts, I get the
> impression that LOD is in the midst of the Valley of Death. So before
> you sell your fortune, note that clever investors are just waiting for
> the Valley of Death to buy at lowest valuations...
> More seriously: standardized, open, non-proprietary approaches for
> adding value to data will win because interoperable and
> interchangeable methods and parts significantly decrease the cost of
> production and the network effects of new adopters make these
> approaches increasingly more valuable to all. The question is not
> whether, but when (remember Keynes: in the long-term we're all dead).
> As to the when, when is the right time, NEVER listen to the majority
> of existing customers when pursuing real innovations. In this
> (admittedly rare) case, existing customers are the millstone around
> your neck. They bother you with their reality, the status quo, and can
> get quite demanding. But the reality of today can never be the reality
> of the future, it never has been and it will never be that way.
> As long-term observer of the Semantic Web world, I'm scratching my
> head because more than 10 years in the internet age ARE very
> long-term. So what's going on here? My impression is that the initial
> deep mismatch/mistrust of business and open advocates (remember when
> open-source was seen as something communist? ... remember Sun CEO
> O'Neilly?) has never been resolved really in the semweb world, which
> it definitely has in open-source software (oss).
> So what went wrong? A single answer would not serve a complex problem
> but one reason why semweb and oss developed differently regarding
> business impact may be that the former was too reliant on academic
> institutions and their funding, which made it possible to sustain a
> semweb world relatively independent from business requirements.
> Anyway, what is needed now are real business or societal use cases
> that have a lasting impact, the ones that I read in the Sunday morning
> newspaper about as I do about oss.
> So, let's drop the demo, and another demo, and yet another demo of
> cool or not-so-cool things and plan for real usage scenarios that
> offer a SOLUTION.
> It's just a rainy Sunday afternoon...
> Michael Kaschesky
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Kingsley Idehen
> <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>         All,
>         There is a tendency assume an eternal lack of functional and
>         scalable business models with regards to Linked Data. I think
>         its time for an open discussion about this matter.
>         It's no secret, I've never seen business models as challenging
>         Linked Data. Quite the contrary. That said, instead of a dump
>         from me about my viewpoints on Linked Data models, how about
>         starting this discussion by identifying any non "Advertising
>         based business model" that have actually worked on the Web to
>         date.
>         As far as I know, "Advertising" and "Surreptitious Personal
>         Profile Data Wholesale" are the only models that have made a
>         difference to the bottom lines of: Google, Facebook, Twitter,
>         Yahoo! and other non eCommerce oriented behemoths.
>         Based on the above, let's have a serious and frank discussion
>         about business models with the understanding agreement that
>         one size will never fit all, ever, so this rule cannot be
>         overlooked re. Linked Data. Also remember, Business models
>         aren't silver bullets, they are typically aligned with markets
>         (qualified and quantified pain points) and the evolving nature
>         of tangible and monetizable value.
>         Hopefully, the floor is now open to everyone that has a vested
>         interest in this very important matter :-)
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Kingsley Idehen 
>         Founder & CEO
>         OpenLink Software
>         Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>         Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>         Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
>         Google+ Profile:
>         https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>         LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen

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