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Re: A URI(Web ID) for the semantic web community as a foaf:Group

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:56:45 -0400
Message-ID: <4BAD117D.2070406@openlinksw.com>
To: Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
CC: "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>, public-lod@w3.org
Tom Heath wrote:
> Kingsley,
>
> My recollection of events is as follows:
>
> 1. A number of us (you, me, others - don't remember exactly who)
> agreed that the community.linkeddata.org site was a good idea.
>   
Yes.
> 2. You set up an ODS instance running in EC2 and asked me to setup the
> appropriate CNAME record in the DNS.
>   
Yes.
> 3. I set up the CNAME record as requested.
>   
Yes.
> 4. A group of people, that did not include me, offered to take on the
> task of overseeing the community.linkeddata.org site.
>   
Yes.
> 5. The *group* decided to stop using the ODS instance at
> community.linkeddata.org and move the content to the main
> linkeddata.org site.
>   
Lost me.
> 6. At some point afterwards the original EC2 instance was
> decommissioned. As far as I know a backup is not available.
>   
Of course a backup is available, its online right now as per my post 
(posts are out of sync time wise).
> So that others have access to the off-list discussions on this topic
> I've put a number of relevant emails online at:
> http://tomheath.com/blog/2010/03/the-demise-of-community-linkeddata-org/
> This is with Michael's consent. I assume that given your "private
> conversation with you (while assuming it was public)" comment then you
> are happy for this correspondence to be public, and that you can say
> the same on Ted's behalf.
>
> For the record I don't think we can afford to ignore the UI.
>   
The UI is a none issue since we are dealing with machine readable 
identifiers re. WebIDs.

If there is one thing Linked Data and HTTP are supposed to be about its 
the separation of:

1. Datum
2. Data Storage
3. Data Representation
4. Data Access Protocol
5. Data Presentation

ODS isn't a monolithic application, in actual fact its a virtualization 
engine.

As for UI, go generate a WebID using ODS and compare it to anything else 
that exists.  All you do is Click, Click, Click and your done (assuming 
you have a name and email address in your profile).

Also, even with rudimentary facts like name and email address, when you 
de-reference your WebID you will be quite surprised what it will mesh in 
should you visit URIBurner (or if I enable the Sponger locally).

Kingsley


> I'll reply to Kenny's proposals/questions after the weekend.
>
> Tom.
>
>
> On 26 March 2010 17:41, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>   
>> Tom Heath wrote:
>>     
>>> On 26 March 2010 15:27, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hmm, there once was an instance of Virtuoso+ODS at:
>>>> <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> that actually gave all members of
>>>> LOD a URI. All you have to do is walk through the LOD mail archives to
>>>> see how it came to an end. Tom Heath didn't want it there, and as far as
>>>> I was concerned, I simply wasn't interested in grappling with him; its
>>>> his domain (bottom line) and he has the right to do whatever with it (my
>>>> last comments in an old mail thread about this matter).
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Kingsley,
>>>
>>> I don't believe your mail gives an accurate account of events.
>>>       
>> It does.
>>     
>>>  From my
>>> records the discussion was mainly off-list, and the decision to
>>> deprecate community.linkeddata.org was a group decision, not mine
>>> alone. At some point after that decision was taken, the Openlink Data
>>> Spaces instance that you hosted at that subdomain disappeared.
>>>
>>>       
>> I took it off line since it was Amazon EC2 hosted. Wouldn't you if you were
>> in my shoes after what happened?
>>     
>>> (For the record I never hosted anything at this subdomain, it was
>>> simply pointed using a DNS CNAME record at an EC2 instance
>>> administered by Openlink.)
>>>
>>> It would be useful if you could properly reference the mails in
>>> question so others can refer to them easily. I've assembled those
>>> messages I've found which are relevant to the topic and will put these
>>> online shortly so others have access.
>>>
>>>       
>> In my response to you, I specifically said:
>> You own the domain, so you can do whatever with it.
>>
>> If I was having a private conversation with you (while assuming it was
>> public), I can easily go dig up my archives.
>>
>> You (and the group that excluded me) decided to take down something that you
>> seem to partially understand, clearly. I told you repeatedly that it was
>> about URIs for community members first, forget about the UI etc..
>>
>> It was there for dog-fooding purposes, and I am sure you can google up on
>> that re. how it was introduced and offered.
>>
>>     
>>> Tom.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen       President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web:
>> http://www.openlinksw.com
>> Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
>>
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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     
Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen 
Received on Friday, 26 March 2010 19:57:15 UTC

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