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Re: The status of Semantic Web community- perspective from Scopus and Web Of Science (WOS)

From: Ying Ding <dingying@indiana.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:11:28 -0500
Message-ID: <4B770770.208@indiana.edu>
To: Jeremy Carroll <jeremy@topquadrant.com>
CC: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>, public-lod@w3.org
Yes, I agree that in order to get a really good overview of the semantic 
web community, we need to look at broader range of publications, such as 
DBLP, Arnetminer, Google Scholars. But believe it or not, the formal 
judge of the scholarly contribution (especially for tenure promotions), 
most of the universities took Scopus and Web Of Science (WOS) really 
serious. You cannot go for tenure just by writing many good emails, or 
W3C technical reports.

Yes, citation can be bias and this debate has been there for decades, 
but WOS is still dominating the world of scholarly communication. 
Journal editors are still proud of their high Impact Factors (no matter 
what). Students might be obliged to cite their supervisor's papers, but 
that will not bring you to the top of the top based on hundreds of 
thousands of citations.

I will love to collaborate with people who wants to do a thorough 
evaluation of the semantic web field as i think it is a high time to do 
this and we need this in order to know the current status of our 
community. Like Information Retrieval (SIGIR), Database (VLDB, SIGMOD) 
or Data mining (SIGKDD) area, they are all well established with their 
own conferences, top journals, and field medals. I think it is time for 
us to establish such for our Semantic Web Community.

best
ying

Jeremy Carroll wrote:
> Dan Brickley wrote:
>> However it did not leave any footprint in the academic literature. We
>> might ask why. Like much of the work around W3C and tech industry
>> standards, the artifacts it left behind don't often show up in the
>> citation databases. A white paper here, a Web-based specification
>> there, ... it's influence cannot easily be measured through academic
>> citation patterns, despite the fact that without it, the vast majority
>> of papers mentioned in
>> http://info.slis.indiana.edu/~dingying/Publication/JIS-1098-v4.pdf
>> would never have existed.
>>
>>
>>   
>
> IIRC there was an explicit proposal by an earlier European paper (I 
> think with Fensel as an author) to align some academic work with the 
> W3C effort, essentially to provide branding, name recognition and a 
> transfer path for the academic work
>
> Maybe:
>
> OIL: Ontology Infrastructure to Enable the Semantic Web
> Dieter Fensel 1, Ian Horrocks 2, Frank van Harmelen 1, Deborah 
> McGuinness 3, and
> Peter F. Patel-Schneider 4
>
> "Given the current dominance and
> importance of the WWW, a syntax of an ontology exchange language must 
> be formulated using
> existing web standards for information representation."
>
> Ying Ding's paper suffers from excluding technical papers such as W3C 
> recs. These are widely cited, typically moreso than academic work. 
> They also have better review process than academic stuff.
>
> I tend to agree with Dan that her work misrepresents what really 
> happened.
>
>
> Jeremy
>
>


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Ying Ding, Assistant Professor of Information Science
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