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Re: twitter's annotation and metadata

From: Juan Sequeda <juanfederico@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:33:57 -0500
Message-ID: <o2if914914c1004161633hcfaf2d10u3fbf0d4df8dc02b7@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chris Sizemore <Chris.Sizemore@bbc.co.uk>
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
interesting...

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* What will the payloads look like?

This isn't final. The payloads could end up wildly different after we
noodle
around in things like RDF and the semantic web's literature and all that
kind of stuff. You can't see me but my hands are waving vigorously.

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Juan Sequeda
+1-575-SEQ-UEDA
www.juansequeda.com


On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Chris Sizemore <Chris.Sizemore@bbc.co.uk>wrote:

> (marcel molina, via matt biddulph, tweets re: Twitter annotations: <http://bit.ly/9Ik9Fy>
> http://bit.ly/9Ik9Fy )
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> On 16 Apr 2010, at 05:26 PM, "Juan Sequeda" < <juanfederico@gmail.com>
> juanfederico@gmail.com> wrote:
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> This is all great stuff. So who can now go to Twitter and tell them that
> their job has already been done...
>
> Juan Sequeda
> +1-575-SEQ-UEDA
> <http://www.juansequeda.com> <http://www.juansequeda.com>
> www.juansequeda.com
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> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Kingsley Idehen <<kidehen@openlinksw.com><kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
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>> Chris Sizemore wrote:
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>>> the main problem is gonna be the cognitive dissonance over whether a
>>> tweet is an information or non-information resource and how many URIs are
>>> needed to fully rep a tweet...
>>> so, who's gonna volunteer to publish the linked data version of Twitter
>>> data, a la db/wiki[pedia] ...
>>>
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>> Chris,
>>
>> The Twitter Linked Data Space already exists in a variety of fragments.
>>
>> Twitter as a medium for nano annotations (nanotations) was always an
>> inevitability.
>>
>> You would be surprised as to what you would FIND at:
>> <http://uriburner.com/fct> <http://uriburner.com/fct>
>> http://uriburner.com/fct, on any given day, try it :-)
>>
>> As for Information Resource, in the context of the burgeoning Web of
>> Linked Data, I believe Descriptor Resource is much clear. As for
>> non-information resource, we have a "Referent" and its Name (via Generic
>> HTTP URI).
>>
>> "Resource" overloading will always thwart comprehension of Linked Data.
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> 1.
>> <http://www.slideshare.net/kidehen/understanding-linked-data-via-eav-model-based-structured-descriptions><http://www.slideshare.net/kidehen/understanding-linked-data-via-eav-model-based-structured-descriptions>
>> http://www.slideshare.net/kidehen/understanding-linked-data-via-eav-model-based-structured-descriptions-- recent presentation that is basically "Linked Data" the prequel via EAV
>> Model focus (RDF as Data Model is not working, so lets stopping banging on
>> that since its generally perceived as a Markup Language with a variety of
>> Representation Formats)
>> 2. <http://twitpic.com/1g02q8/full> <http://twitpic.com/1g02q8/full>
>> http://twitpic.com/1g02q8/full -- Referent, Identifier, and
>> Description/Sense (The Data Perception Trinity)
>> 3. <http://twitpic.com/1g03vo/full> <http://twitpic.com/1g03vo/full>
>> http://twitpic.com/1g03vo/full -- Referent, Identifier, and
>> Descriptor/Sense Trinity as exploited via FOAF+SSL
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen       President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web:
>> <http://www.openlinksw.com> <http://www.openlinksw.com>
>> http://www.openlinksw.com
>> Weblog: <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen><http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen>
>> http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Cs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 10:28 AM, "adasal" < <adam.saltiel@gmail.com><adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
>>> adam.saltiel@gmail.com <mailto: <adam.saltiel@gmail.com><adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
>>> adam.saltiel@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  twitter have a hard task as they have to take into account usage. The
>>>> community have evolved their own, inconsistent, usage - for instance this
>>>> tweet
>>>> greenhaze < <http://twitter.com/greenhaze><http://twitter.com/greenhaze>
>>>> http://twitter.com/greenhaze> #ff < <http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ff><http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ff>
>>>> http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ff> big up: @_Jameslloyd <<http://twitter.com/_Jameslloyd><http://twitter.com/_Jameslloyd>
>>>> http://twitter.com/_Jameslloyd> @AlysFowler <<http://twitter.com/AlysFowler><http://twitter.com/AlysFowler>
>>>> http://twitter.com/AlysFowler> @brightgreenscot <<http://twitter.com/brightgreenscot><http://twitter.com/brightgreenscot>
>>>> http://twitter.com/brightgreenscot> @AskTheClimateQ <<http://twitter.com/AskTheClimateQ><http://twitter.com/AskTheClimateQ>
>>>> http://twitter.com/AskTheClimateQ> @faisalislam <<http://twitter.com/faisalislam><http://twitter.com/faisalislam>
>>>> http://twitter.com/faisalislam> @valerieoriordan <<http://twitter.com/valerieoriordan><http://twitter.com/valerieoriordan>
>>>> http://twitter.com/valerieoriordan> @peopleandplanet <<http://twitter.com/peopleandplanet><http://twitter.com/peopleandplanet>
>>>> http://twitter.com/peopleandplanet> @*38_degrees* <<http://twitter.com/38_degrees><http://twitter.com/38_degrees>
>>>> http://twitter.com/38_degrees> @krishgm < <http://twitter.com/krishgm><http://twitter.com/krishgm>
>>>> http://twitter.com/krishgm>
>>>> compared to
>>>> craftygreenpoet < <http://twitter.com/craftygreenpoet><http://twitter.com/craftygreenpoet>
>>>> http://twitter.com/craftygreenpoet> Quiz party manifesto writers, Ed
>>>> Miliband, Oliver Letwin and Danny Alexander. Join in now
>>>> <http://bit.ly/9eYpSI> <http://bit.ly/9eYpSI>http://bit.ly/9eYpSI*#38degrees* <<http://twitter.com/search?q=%2338degrees><http://twitter.com/search?q=%2338degrees>
>>>> http://twitter.com/search?q=%2338degrees> #ukelection <<http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukelection><http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukelection>
>>>> http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ukelection>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice the #ff hash tag and the phrase 'big up:' in the first tweet as
>>>> well as the many references (@ tags).
>>>> So a popular sign #ff has been invented and there are different styles
>>>> of posting, of drawing attention.
>>>> The developers of a name space might have to take all of these issues
>>>> into account, for instance the range of intentions of posters of which
>>>> 'drawing attention' may just be one, or be a super set.  Or, alternatively,
>>>> just create a basic name space with a few, lose, defined entities?
>>>> I think that the problem would be to define a semantics that allows
>>>> users to continue to invent usage.
>>>> Or will invention be seen to peter out anyway as people settle on a few
>>>> useful 'tools' such as the #ff hash tag?
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the other side of introducing semantics is that it could
>>>> increase the expressive scope of what is an incredibly restricted format.
>>>> But twitter might find that counter productive. The restriction, which is a
>>>> product of a lack of common symbols that might be used knowingly to extend
>>>> it, is the mother of invention. Often that invention lies in a sexual
>>>> direction (or products or money). With regard the sexual it extends into
>>>> that realm well because the mystery of not knowing is coupled with the
>>>> necessity to invent 'something' on top of what is really a well known human
>>>> area - the play of ambiguity suits the subject matter making it seem racier
>>>> than perhaps it really is.
>>>>
>>>> A formalism might destroy this though?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Adam Saltiel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 April 2010 02:52, Juan Sequeda < <juanfederico@gmail.com><juanfederico@gmail.com>
>>>> juanfederico@gmail.com <mailto: <juanfederico@gmail.com><juanfederico@gmail.com>
>>>> juanfederico@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    Hopefully everybody has heard that Twitter will release some
>>>>    annotation feature which will allow to add metadata to each tweet.
>>>>
>>>>    I just read this blog
>>>>    post <http://scobleizer.com/2010/04/15/twitter-annotations/><http://scobleizer.com/2010/04/15/twitter-annotations/>
>>>> http://scobleizer.com/2010/04/15/twitter-annotations/
>>>>
>>>>    and the following caught my attention: "There aren’t any rules as
>>>>    to what can be in this metadata. YET. All the devs I’ve talked to
>>>>    say they expect Twitter to “bless” namespaces so the industry
>>>>    will have one common way to describe common things"
>>>>
>>>>    I'm just wondering what people here think about this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Juan Sequeda
>>>>    +1-575-SEQ-UEDA
>>>>     <http://www.juansequeda.com> <http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>> www.juansequeda.com < <http://www.juansequeda.com><http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>> http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>>
>>>>
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