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Re: mailing-lists in semantic-land

From: Milan Stankovic <milstan@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:06:17 +0200
Message-ID: <p2jed84050f1004120806m483e11a7ra8200dde7b38b4aa@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sergio Fernández <sergio.fernandez@fundacionctic.org>
Cc: Story Henry <henry.story@bblfish.net>, carmen <_@whats-your.name>, foaf-protocols@lists.foaf-project.org, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
I am also personally very interested in this. Mailing lists are used by many
expert search approaches to mine and rank experts, and therefore their
availability in RDF if extremely useful.

I got around Sergio's good work on SWAML (  http://swaml.berlios.de/ ), but
saw that unfortunately it is not implemented in many places. There is huge
potential in this data, and I would love to hear more about what this tread
is about here :)

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2010/4/12 Sergio Fernández <sergio.fernandez@fundacionctic.org>

> Carmen, probably SWAML might be relevant for you:
>
>        http://swaml.berlios.de/
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 09:49 +0100, Story Henry wrote:
> > I am not sure exactly how the thread by Carmen got going, or where it
> appeared from, but
> > it seems pretty interesting.
> >
> > Note that on the w3c mail archives there are X-Archived-At headers with
> URLs for each mail.
> > I don't understand why not every mailing list does that, as it is so
> clearly an excellent idea.
> >
> > Henry
> >
> > On 6 Apr 2010, at 23:40, carmenr wrote:
> >
> > >> So basically no-one in the Semantic Web community has a clue about
> > >> mailing lists. That is quite cool in itself.
> > >
> > > $ mkdir mail/foaf-protocols
> > > $ cd mail/foaf-protocols
> > > $ wget
> http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2010-{January,February,March}.txt.gz&& gunzip *gz
> > > $ cd ../..
> > > (you could stay in this directory if you want a sep index)
> > > $ e.console
> > >
> > > irb(main):002:0> E('/mail/foaf-protocols/*txt').glob.map &:indexMbox
> > > => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-February.txt,
> /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-January.txt, /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March.txt]
> > >
> > > mail is of course identified by message-ID:
> > >
> > >   (E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1
> > > => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97]
> > >
> > > m=((E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1)[0].resource
> :mail
> > >
> > > irb(main):019:0> puts m.keys
> > > uri
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#name
> > > http://purl.org/dc/terms/date
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#group
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#subject
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reply_of
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reference
> > > http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content
> > >
> > > (not sure all predicates exist, but theyre trivially changed)
> > >
> > >  m.uri
> > > => "5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net"
> > >
> > > message identifier, it can be plugged into gmane :
> > >
> > > http://mid.gmane.org/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
> > >
> > > or local DB (filesystem really)
> > >
> > > irb(main):022:0> (E m.uri).r
> > > => "From: henry.story at bblfish.net (Story Henry)\nDate: Thu, 11 Mar
> 2010 20:27:05 +0100\nSubject: [foaf-protocols] [xwiki-devs]
> http://webid.myxwiki.org/\nIn-Reply-To: <
> D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nReferences: <
> D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nMessage-ID: <
> 5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>\n\n\nOn 9 Mar 2010, at
> 20:40, Story Henry wrote:\n\n> A very basic implementation of foaf+ssl is up
> here:\n> \n>  http://webid.myxwiki.org/\n\nWhile fixing Chrome [0], we
> found a bug with my previous implementation of web..
> > >
> > > and HTTP
> > > (a prettily formatted and link-clickable version)
> > >
> > > [root@x200 element]# curl -I
> http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
> > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> > > Content-Type: text/html
> > > Content-Length: 4701
> > >
> > > (raw message)
> > >
> > > [root@x200 element]# curl -I
> http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net?raw
> > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> > > Content-Type: message/rfc822
> > > Content-Length: 2034
> > >
> > > (content-type turtle)
> > >
> > > curl http://m/-/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net -H
> "Accept: application/turtle"
> > > @base </> .
> > > @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
> > >
> > > <ma/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97>
> > >    <fs:ftype> "file" ;
> > >    <fs:mtime> "2010-04-06 21:21:45 +0000" ;
> > >    <fs:size> "2034" .
> > >
> > > <5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>
> > >    <http://purl.org/dc/terms/date> "2010-03-11T19:27:05+00:00" ;
> > >    <http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content> """<snip>
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote some domain-specific views for mails (suggestions welcome)
> > >
> > > http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=threads
> > >
> > > => http://i.imgur.com/eeP8W.png
> > >
> > > a 'long tail' approach might be good, so you dont miss the important
> threads if ignoring a list for a week/month/forever:
> > >
> > >  http://i.imgur.com/L9Spu.png  zoomed-out
> > >
> > >
> > > theres a generic (Exhibit - inspired) facet-top which just counts the
> most occurences of p/o:
> > >
> > > http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=top&face&a=sioc:from
> > >
> > > 668
> > > 198 henry.story@bblfish.net
> > > 111 home_pw@msn.com
> > > 71  melvincarvalho@gmail.com
> > > 48  kidehen@openlinksw.com
> > > 32  Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
> > >
> > > a custom domain-specific aggregation
> > >
> > > http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=topthreads
> > >
> > > 39  [foaf-protocols] FOAF+SSL and root certificates
> > > 35  [foaf-protocols] FOAF+ssl, access control.
> > > 29  [foaf-protocols] rsa / cert Ontology questions.
> > > 24  [foaf-protocols] foaf+ssl working on Internet Explorer
> > > 22  [foaf-protocols] Lack of browser support
> > >
> > > suporting these kind of ad-hoc URI-specified workflows and making them
> fast drove the refactoring of http://gitorious.org/element
> > > and thats proably why it uses JSON almost everywhere, and the innate
> ruby Hash implementation rather than a RDF library - URIs are identifiers +
> conneg works anyways
> > >
> > >
> > > a thread-reconstructor finds entire thread given a message
> > >
> > > model={}
> > > Fn 'data/thread', E('4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org'),nil,model
> > > model.keys =>
> > > ["4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org", "
> D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net", "
> 4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk", "4B856FD5.5050000@webr3.org", "
> 4B83FF45.3080908@webr3.org", "4B8564ED.4090005@manchester.ac.uk", "
> 4B83FFA8.4040802@webr3.org", "4B854702.1040602@manchester.ac.uk", "
> 4B840CC8.3010004@manchester.ac.uk", "
> 8FD629D3-82E1-4663-9A5D-E608195593B0@bblfish.net", "
> 9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com", "
> 9B586E6A-D821-404F-92A1-FB2635B7153F@bblfish.net", "
> 8847320C-490A-4D59-8A16-D09186C35522@bblfish.net", "
> 4B856F01.4020300@webr3.org", "
> AE226FB5-9CE1-400B-9715-8D86773E3DAE@bblfish.net", "
> 03EA7BF8-A0F7-4324-916F-0FC3B0CF6792@bblfish.net", "
> 4B8561E1.7040802@webr3.org", "
> FA02959F-24DB-4941-B035-6C12751D061D@bblfish.net", "
> 4B856319.5030302@webr3.org", "
> A699539D-7871-4858-9B61-5E598E2D7487@bblfish.net", "
> 4B8568A6.8070608@webr3.org", "
> BDEED524-7979-4736-BDB2-149F6F633A41@bblfish.net", "
> 4B8596CE.5090706@webr3.org", "4B857BB3.2030405@webr3.org", "
> f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com", "
> F3786CFE-12F0-4C64-B6A0-C8419E3E312C@bblfish.net",
> "BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl", "
> 39B67967-962E-4320-94E8-D1375024C568@bblfish.net", "
> 4B85A24A.50007@webr3.org", "4B856A5E.1020207@manchester.ac.uk"]
> > >
> > > which can be combined w/ a path expression and conneg or customized
> views:
> > >
> > > links -dump '
> http://m/-/4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org?q=thread&p=sioc:from&view=table'
> > >
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
> > > 4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org
> nathan@webr3.org
> > > D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net
> henry.story@bblfish.net
> > > 4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk
> Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
> > > 9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com
> melvincarvalho@gmail.com
> > > f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com
> akkiehossain@googlemail.com
> > > BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl
> home_pw@msn.com
> > >
> > > anyways..
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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