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Re: mailing-lists in semantic-land

From: Fumihiro Kato <fumi@fumi.me>
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:16:18 +0900
Message-ID: <m2n3c3a936b1004090216k5e2f59b5gca990964e8e72cff@mail.gmail.com>
To: Story Henry <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Cc: carmen <_@whats-your.name>, foaf-protocols@lists.foaf-project.org, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Hi Henry,

You can find Archived-At instead of X-Archived-At. Archived-At was
standardized in 2007 [1],
then I changed the header as I was one of maintainers for the mail archives..

Fumi

[1] http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=5064


On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Story Henry <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
> I am not sure exactly how the thread by Carmen got going, or where it appeared from, but
> it seems pretty interesting.
>
> Note that on the w3c mail archives there are X-Archived-At headers with URLs for each mail.
> I don't understand why not every mailing list does that, as it is so clearly an excellent idea.
>
> Henry
>
> On 6 Apr 2010, at 23:40, carmenr wrote:
>
>>> So basically no-one in the Semantic Web community has a clue about
>>> mailing lists. That is quite cool in itself.
>>
>> $ mkdir mail/foaf-protocols
>> $ cd mail/foaf-protocols
>> $ wget http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2010-{January,February,March}.txt.gz && gunzip *gz
>> $ cd ../..
>> (you could stay in this directory if you want a sep index)
>> $ e.console
>>
>> irb(main):002:0> E('/mail/foaf-protocols/*txt').glob.map &:indexMbox
>> => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-February.txt, /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-January.txt, /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March.txt]
>>
>> mail is of course identified by message-ID:
>>
>>   (E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1
>> => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97]
>>
>> m=((E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1)[0].resource :mail
>>
>> irb(main):019:0> puts m.keys
>> uri
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#name
>> http://purl.org/dc/terms/date
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#group
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#subject
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reply_of
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reference
>> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content
>>
>> (not sure all predicates exist, but theyre trivially changed)
>>
>>  m.uri
>> => "5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net"
>>
>> message identifier, it can be plugged into gmane :
>>
>> http://mid.gmane.org/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
>>
>> or local DB (filesystem really)
>>
>> irb(main):022:0> (E m.uri).r
>> => "From: henry.story at bblfish.net (Story Henry)\nDate: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:27:05 +0100\nSubject: [foaf-protocols] [xwiki-devs] http://webid.myxwiki.org/\nIn-Reply-To: <D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nReferences: <D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nMessage-ID: <5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>\n\n\nOn 9 Mar 2010, at 20:40, Story Henry wrote:\n\n> A very basic implementation of foaf+ssl is up here:\n> \n>  http://webid.myxwiki.org/\n\nWhile fixing Chrome [0], we found a bug with my previous implementation of web..
>>
>> and HTTP
>> (a prettily formatted and link-clickable version)
>>
>> [root@x200 element]# curl -I http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>> Content-Type: text/html
>> Content-Length: 4701
>>
>> (raw message)
>>
>> [root@x200 element]# curl -I http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net?raw
>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>> Content-Type: message/rfc822
>> Content-Length: 2034
>>
>> (content-type turtle)
>>
>> curl http://m/-/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net -H "Accept: application/turtle"
>> @base </> .
>> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
>>
>> <ma/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97>
>>    <fs:ftype> "file" ;
>>    <fs:mtime> "2010-04-06 21:21:45 +0000" ;
>>    <fs:size> "2034" .
>>
>> <5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>
>>    <http://purl.org/dc/terms/date> "2010-03-11T19:27:05+00:00" ;
>>    <http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content> """<snip>
>>
>>
>> wrote some domain-specific views for mails (suggestions welcome)
>>
>> http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=threads
>>
>> => http://i.imgur.com/eeP8W.png
>>
>> a 'long tail' approach might be good, so you dont miss the important threads if ignoring a list for a week/month/forever:
>>
>>  http://i.imgur.com/L9Spu.png  zoomed-out
>>
>>
>> theres a generic (Exhibit - inspired) facet-top which just counts the most occurences of p/o:
>>
>> http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=top&face&a=sioc:from
>>
>> 668
>> 198   henry.story@bblfish.net
>> 111   home_pw@msn.com
>> 71    melvincarvalho@gmail.com
>> 48    kidehen@openlinksw.com
>> 32    Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
>>
>> a custom domain-specific aggregation
>>
>> http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=topthreads
>>
>> 39    [foaf-protocols] FOAF+SSL and root certificates
>> 35    [foaf-protocols] FOAF+ssl, access control.
>> 29    [foaf-protocols] rsa / cert Ontology questions.
>> 24    [foaf-protocols] foaf+ssl working on Internet Explorer
>> 22    [foaf-protocols] Lack of browser support
>>
>> suporting these kind of ad-hoc URI-specified workflows and making them fast drove the refactoring of http://gitorious.org/element
>> and thats proably why it uses JSON almost everywhere, and the innate ruby Hash implementation rather than a RDF library - URIs are identifiers + conneg works anyways
>>
>>
>> a thread-reconstructor finds entire thread given a message
>>
>> model={}
>> Fn 'data/thread', E('4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org'),nil,model
>> model.keys =>
>> ["4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org", "D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net", "4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk", "4B856FD5.5050000@webr3.org", "4B83FF45.3080908@webr3.org", "4B8564ED.4090005@manchester.ac.uk", "4B83FFA8.4040802@webr3.org", "4B854702.1040602@manchester.ac.uk", "4B840CC8.3010004@manchester.ac.uk", "8FD629D3-82E1-4663-9A5D-E608195593B0@bblfish.net", "9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com", "9B586E6A-D821-404F-92A1-FB2635B7153F@bblfish.net", "8847320C-490A-4D59-8A16-D09186C35522@bblfish.net", "4B856F01.4020300@webr3.org", "AE226FB5-9CE1-400B-9715-8D86773E3DAE@bblfish.net", "03EA7BF8-A0F7-4324-916F-0FC3B0CF6792@bblfish.net", "4B8561E1.7040802@webr3.org", "FA02959F-24DB-4941-B035-6C12751D061D@bblfish.net", "4B856319.5030302@webr3.org", "A699539D-7871-4858-9B61-5E598E2D7487@bblfish.net", "4B8568A6.8070608@webr3.org", "BDEED524-7979-4736-BDB2-149F6F633A41@bblfish.net", "4B8596CE.5090706@webr3.org", "4B857BB3.2030405@webr3.org", "f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com", "F3786CFE-12F0-4C64-B6A0-C8419E3E312C@bblfish.net", "BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl", "39B67967-962E-4320-94E8-D1375024C568@bblfish.net", "4B85A24A.50007@webr3.org", "4B856A5E.1020207@manchester.ac.uk"]
>>
>> which can be combined w/ a path expression and conneg or customized views:
>>
>> links -dump 'http://m/-/4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org?q=thread&p=sioc:from&view=table'
>>                                                            http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
>> 4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org                                  nathan@webr3.org
>> D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net            henry.story@bblfish.net
>> 4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk                           Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
>> 9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com melvincarvalho@gmail.com
>> f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com akkiehossain@googlemail.com
>> BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl                home_pw@msn.com
>>
>> anyways..
>>
>>
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