- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:06:14 -0500
- To: Andraz Tori <andraz@zemanta.com>
- CC: Giovanni Tummarello <giovanni.tummarello@deri.org>, public-lod@w3.org
Andraz Tori wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 01:54 +0100, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: > >> Hi Andreaz :-) >> >> I don't see the difference between the LOD model and the data >> (including >> links) itself. At least to us at Zemanta it is immensely >> helpful to have >> a lot of those links done. It brings down the cost of doing >> really >> innovative stuff to us and I believe to many others too. >> >> We don't dereference them in real-time, but ahead-of-time to >> produce >> specialized datasets, but I don't think that makes a >> difference. >> >> >> to the risk of being pedantic.. >> >> Well the idea from the day 0 of the semantic web was that entity would >> be interlinked by the reuse of the same URI. "linking" or putting a >> "same as" is the same thing so nothing new. >> >> the new part of LOD would be the publishing of a dataset as many >> individual RDF description corresponding to the resolution of each >> URI/URL. and that part is not being useful to you >> > > I wasn't here at its conception, so I can only talk about current > situation. Currently this is only a part of a bargain, but not the whole > thing. The other part is actually having some concrete set of federated > generally-interesting datasets that are interconnected instead of > abstract vision or one-off efforts. > > So LOD is actually people working 'together' to get something practical > out of larger SW idea. > > I also think that LOD has started to cause the Network effect. Every new > dataset makes others more usable. > > >> > That the bubbles continue to grown is however a sociological >> > interesting phenomen :-) >> >> >> And a good sign that something has gone right :) >> >> >> Maybe :-) but people do things for many other reason that "they're >> right". An alternative explanation i like is >> http://inamidst.com/whits/2008/technobunkum >> > > I disagree LOD is this kind of a beast. Services like ours are proving > LOD is important for 'mainstream'. While it is a stretch to say our > service is (already) mainstream or that LOD is the main enabler, it is > definitely meant for mainstream and LOD plays a certain part in making > it achievable (cheaply enough). > > > >> I think LOD achievement is enormous and this is only the >> start. >> :) >> >> Said picture might have helped to get a lot of RDF data online. This >> is undoubtly a great achievement >> But sustenability and real growth comes only if we can prove real >> reasons for people to publish this data, and in this way. While we >> havent yet seen this, this doesnt mean that some application might not >> exist >> > > we're on exactly the same page here! Sustainability and growth depend on > working incentives for publishers to publish the data. And there is just > one thing (commercial) publishers care about - direct and indirect > traffic. > > If a good incentive is getting more links from bloggers (which in turn > brings traffic and increases different rankings), there you have one in > Zemanta. Ok, actually it is only a potential, since we include datasets > on one-by-one basis. But when a company approaches us to incorporate > their links into our suggestion pool the first question we ask is: Do > you have proper connections into LOD? It makes everything so much > easier. > > To date bloggers have created more than a million permanent hyperlinks > with Zemanta. For some links the ability to suggest them came from the > fact that the LOD data and links were available. > > I am sure there must be some other LOD related services that in the 'end > consequence' bring traffic to the publishers. We are working on at least > another one - "Simple Semantic Tagging". > > bye > andraz > Andraz, I agree with your points and general sentiment. One issue we need to address is the LOD cloud. Personally, there are vital aspects of the big picture that is completely misses. 1. UMBEL - this is the data dictionary aspect of the Linked Data Web and it meshes disparate ontologies (one aspect) and also provides a concept scheme (its other aspect) 2. Dynamic Linked Data - our sponger cartridges perform lookups and joins against other data providers (as you can see re. Zemanta cartridge) . When you combine the main cloud, #1, and #2, you basically moot any questions about the state of the "Linked Data Web". Instead, we move over to more interesting and important issues such as quality of data within the "Linked Data Web". Quality is valuable and an opportunity for any "Linked Data Web" player to innovate. Show me an entrepreneur and I will show you someone who is knowingly or unknowingly using DBMS technology to provide unique value to his/her customer base via queries, lookups, and joins :-) Kingsley > >> Giovanni >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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