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Re: Data-driven Applications (was Re: "humane" query editors for the data web?)

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:36:10 -0400
Message-ID: <49F0A70A.90404@openlinksw.com>
To: Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
CC: David Huynh <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>, public-lod@w3.org
Mike Bergman wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> David Huynh wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Well put! It's an accurate account of what's going on. As I 
>> explicitly said in my original post, this was more or less a tease 
>> and shameless self-promotion :-), but hopefully beneficial, as there 
>> are, in my opinion, some interesting ideas from this query editor 
>> that can be adopted / adapted. In fact, if you watch the screencast 
>> again, there might be hints of "data driving interfaces", albeit only 
>> for developers, not end-users. What other major wins at no cost are 
>> you seeing?
>
> OK; I'm game. This is a list Fred and I have not published before for 
> "major wins":
>
>  1. Context-specific autocompletion
>  2. Context-specific dropdown lists
>  3. Instance record previews
>  4. Class (concept) previews
>  5. Instance record details
>  6. Class (concept) details
>  7. CRUD actions on all items (depending on authorization/access rights)
>  8. Label viewing/selection v IRIs
>  9. Item look-up/search (contextual, via label or IRIs)
> 10. Synonym/alias matching ("semsets") or lookup
> 11. Easy internationalization (viz labels)
> 12. Automatic inferencing
> 13. What's related lookup
> 14. More specific/more generic lookups
> 15. Local graph visualization
> 16. Full linkage navigation (linked data)
> 17. Contextual, directed work flows (query building, template 
> building/selection, analysis, etc)
> 18. Contextual tooltips/popups
> 19. Contextual help
> 20. Dataset-level access and scope.
>
> I saw a few of the above in your system. I especially like your syntax 
> tolerance, interactive tree ("one-by-one"), and "inside out" ideas.  
> Very clever.
>
> There are many reasons why we think RDF the superior choice for all of 
> these purposes [1].
>
> In our own work, we also give great care to the separation of 
> instances and their records (ABox) from conceptual schema (TBox), 
> which, when using the same techniques above, also provides highly 
> useful contextuality and targeted selections.  For example, as a 
> teaser, all instance types can be classified into discrete, disjoint 
> "supertypes" that greatly aid disambiguation or display template 
> selection [2].
>
> These reasons are why we describe our stuff as "data-driven 
> applications".  Generic tools incorporating the ideas above can be 
> contextually driven through simple swap outs of ontologies and 
> domains.  Indeed, ontology(ies) are what *actually* drives the system.
>
> IMO, from a consumer perspective, Fred's query builder when at Zitgist 
> was the best I have seen [3].  That was two years ago, and we never 
> commercialized it, but have taken some of those ideas forward with our 
> current stuff.
>
> We have no issue with JSON as a naive authoring environment or for 
> data exchange.  Indeed, we view it as often superior to straight RDF.
>
> But, our internal, canonical representations are RDF as structured and 
> organized above because we get all of these data-driven interface 
> advantages "for free".  We further can avoid all of the SEO problems 
> of client-side JSON, a concern of mine going back to early work with 
> the deep Web.
>
> I'd be interested in your or others' similar ideas.
>
> Mike
>
> [1] http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=483
> [2] For example, see references to BBN or Sekine in 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_Entity_Recognition
> [3] http://www.zitgist.com/products/query_builder.html
Mike,

A little re-org based on the functionality partitioning theme of my last 
post:

View (Browsers/Explorers that may be local or remote clients to a data 
server):

 - Context-specific autocompletion
 - Context-specific dropdown lists
 - Instance record previews
 - Class (concept) previews
 - Instance record details
 - Class (concept) details
 - Label viewing/selection v IRIs
 - Item look-up/search (contextual, via label or IRIs)
 - Synonym/alias matching ("semsets") or lookup
 -  Easy internationalization (viz labels *also done using combination 
of inference rules, user agent locale deduction, and content negotiation)
 -  Local graph visualization
 - Contextual, directed work flows (query building, template 
building/selection, analysis, etc)
 -  Contextual help
  - Contextual tooltips/popups

Controller (external or data server hosted app. logic):

- More specific/more generic lookups
- Automatic inferencing (e.g.  Easy internationalization viz labels 
*also done using combination of inference rules, user agent locale 
deduction, and transparent content negotiation qos algorithims)

Model (expressed via data server hosted linked data graph):

- More specific/more generic lookups
- What's related lookup
- Full linkage navigation (linked data and how you make "what related 
work" by taking the grunt work from the client)
- Automatic inferencing (e.g.  Easy internationalization viz labels 
*also done using combination of inference rules, user agent locale 
deduction, and transparent content negotiation qos algorithims)
- Dataset-level access and scope (foaf+ssl is the only practical option 
here).

BTW - Do you know that the Faceted Browser Service at: 
<http://lod.openlinksw.com > actually covers a lot of the above? Anyway, 
talks are under way with David and others to mesh Parallax with the 
Faceted Browser Service. This service was developed with the 
aforementioned in mind. Making the above work, atop 1 million triples is 
challenging, we do it  atop 4.5+ Billion (and counting) triples.

The path to a powerful UI that ignites Linked Data comprehension and 
appreciation outside the Semantic Web and LOD communities really isn't 
that far away. What remains mercurial is our collective ability align 
skills, and execute.


Anyway, the list from yourself and Fred is a good start, my re-org 
should hopefully add some clarity etc.

David: Please comment :-)


Kingsley
>
>>
>> David
>>
>> Mike Bergman wrote:
>>> This has been a classic case of Cool Hand Luke and a failure to 
>>> communicate.  Indeed, it happens all of the time in this forum.
>>>
>>> David comes from a perspective of usability and user interfaces, 
>>> granted with a JS bias.  Most all of us have recognized his genius 
>>> for quite some time, and he is a leading innovator in such data 
>>> presentation.
>>>
>>> Kingsley has been a passionate advocate for data connectivity and 
>>> overcoming all things "silo".  Middleware is his game (and OL's). 
>>>  Data and manipulating data is his perspective, and we know the 
>>> superior infrastructure that his personal and then corporate 
>>> commitments to these issues have brought.
>>>
>>> Benjamin notes today the difference in perspective.  Does it begin 
>>> with the user experience, or does it begin with the data?
>>>
>>> The answer, of course, is Yes.
>>>
>>> David with JSON and MQL and other things FB might be criticized.  As 
>>> he knows, I have done so personally offline and directly.
>>>
>>> Kingsley might be criticized for facile hand-waving at UI and 
>>> usability questions; he, too, knows I have made those points privately.
>>>
>>> I truly don't know what our "community" really is or, if indeed, we 
>>> even have one.  But I do know this:
>>>
>>> All of us work on these issues because we believe in them and have 
>>> passion.  So, I have a simple suggestion:
>>>
>>> Keep looking outward.  We need to talk and speak to the 
>>> "unaffiliated".  In that regard, David has the upper hand because 
>>> presentation and flash will always be easier to understand for the 
>>> non-cognescenti.  But, David, you know this too:  your job is easier 
>>> if the nature of the data and its structure drives your display.
>>>
>>> There are HUGE, HUGE advantages of data driving interfaces and 
>>> usability that neither of you are discussing.  Let's next turn our 
>>> attention there and gain some major wins at no cost.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> David Huynh wrote:
>>>> Kingsley,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the resources and the detailed explanation! Looks like 
>>>> all the pieces are there!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>>> David Huynh wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for the link, Juan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just curious, even if I know SPARQL, how do I (as a new user) 
>>>>>> know which properties and types there are in the data? And what 
>>>>>> URIs to use for what?
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not speaking for Jaun, but seeking to answer the question you posed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our iSPARQL interface takes the view that:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. You lookup vocabularies and ontologies of interest before 
>>>>> constructing triple patterns since the terms need to come from 
>>>>> somewhere
>>>>> 2. You then you use the ontology/vocabulary tree to drag and drop 
>>>>> classes over Subject  and Object nodes
>>>>> 3. Do the same thing re. properties by selecting them and dropping 
>>>>> them over the connectors (predicates)
>>>>> 4. Repeat the above until you've completely painted an SPO graph 
>>>>> of what you seek.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - the pattern in steps 2-4 above originated from RDF Author, 
>>>>> and we simply adopted it for SPARQL (following a skype session I 
>>>>> had with Danbri years ago re. the need for SPARQL QBE). Note: RDF 
>>>>> Author allowed you to write Triples directly into RDF information 
>>>>> resources via their URLs. Which means the same UI works fine for 
>>>>> SPARUL (writing to Quad Store via its internal Graph IRI or Web 
>>>>> Information Resource URL).
>>>>>
>>>>> Links:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/RDFAuthor/Tutorial/ -- RDF Author
>>>>>
>>>>> Kingsley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juan Sequeda wrote:
>>>>>>> You may want to check out a tool that we are working on: SQUIN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://squin.informatik.hu-berlin.de/SQUIN/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juan Sequeda, Ph.D Student
>>>>>>> Dept. of Computer Sciences
>>>>>>> The University of Texas at Austin
>>>>>>> www.juansequeda.com <http://www.juansequeda.com>
>>>>>>> www.semanticwebaustin.org <http://www.semanticwebaustin.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:18 PM, David Huynh 
>>>>>>> <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu <mailto:dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Admittedly this is somewhat of a tease and shameless
>>>>>>>     self-promotion :-) but I think there are a few interesting
>>>>>>>     concepts in the query editor for Freebase that I've been 
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>     on that can be very useful for querying and consuming LOD 
>>>>>>> data sets:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       http://www.freebase.com/app/queryeditor/about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Or maybe I missed it totally--is there anything similar for
>>>>>>>     writing SPARQL queries over LOD?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     David
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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