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Re: LOD cloud updated

From: Aldo Bucchi <aldo.bucchi@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:52:20 -0400
Message-ID: <7a4ebe1d0804030952h10165955p495ed481fe8125d3@mail.gmail.com>
To: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>

>  One of the nice things of Richard's cloud is that he does not get pedantic
>  about exactly what a bubble means. So some of them are straightforward LOD
>  sites; others are multiple sites, and still others are almost just
>  ontologies against which people are publishing linked data. This is good,
>  because otherwise we would have long discussions about the semantics of
>  bubbles and more worringly arcs!

Good point.
I tend to forget that academia is still majority here... trying to add
more info to the cloud will introduce subjectivity and ignite endless
discussions.
Let me rephrase what I meant:

"We need a source so that business people, or at least non semweb
related people, can get their hands on something concrete that conveys
the inmense amount of knowledge that is being internlinked".

You might be in favor or against this, but I can foresee that after
the W3C conference in Beijing the semantic web will be reborn as the
linked data web. I have the feeling that this whole "rebranding" is
starting to catch people's attention ( drupal, social nets, etc ) and
the LOD cloud is sitting in the midst of it. Its the link that
everyone passes around.
I have used it for several sales and fund raising presentations
myself... and I never get the "oooooh" I expect when that nice drawing
appears on screen.

Perhaps a PhD student could take this a research subject. Or someone
majoring in a data mining related area... who can give it the
"business twist".

Thanks,
Aldo


On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>  (Thanks for adding the RKBExplorer stuff, Richard.)
>  With reference to size, which of course matters:
>
>  One of the nice things of Richard's cloud is that he does not get pedantic
>  about exactly what a bubble means. So some of them are straightforward LOD
>  sites; others are multiple sites, and still others are almost just
>  ontologies against which people are publishing linked data. This is good,
>  because otherwise we would have long discussions about the semantics of
>  bubbles and more worringly arcs!
>  But perhaps a little more meaning could be introduced to give a sense to
>  casual observers (and others) that this is no just a collection of 27 (or
>  whatever) sites.
>  Would it be hard to make some of the bubbles (such as FOAF and RKBExplorer)
>  clouds themselves, to indicate this?
>  I rather like the idea that the LOD cloud has become a cloud of clouds.
>
>  Best
>  Hugh
>
>
>
>  On 01/04/2008 23:15, "Uldis Bojars" <captsolo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de> wrote:
>  >>> Specify the amount of data ( resources or triples ).
>  >>> Individual and aggregates ( per type? )
>  >>
>  >>> Strength is in the numbers!
>  >>
>  >> I agree that a vocabulary for describing datasets would be a good thing. And
>  >> keeping track of and publishing numbers about the amount of data would also
>  >> be good. I'm afraid I don't have the bandwidth to do any of those things at
>  >> the moment, but if anyone has some spare cycles and wants to chronicle the
>  >> project's growth in a more quantitative way, that would be great.
>  >>
>  >>> The chart would look more scary if it had some indicator of the amount
>  >>> of knowledge it conveys!
>  >>> Scarier than a bunch of circles with funny acronyms that don't mean
>  >>> anything to most people.
>  >>
>  >> That's a very good point.
>  >
>  > The beauty of the current picture (thanks, Richard!) is in its
>  > simplicity. Anyone can look at it and say: "I understand this. Linked
>  > data is a great idea.". Cluttering figure with numbers may look scary
>  > but will this "scary-ness" help or defeat the purpose of the figure? I
>  > am afraid it will be the later for many. Think iPhone versus more
>  > complex-looking (but less successful) devices.
>  >
>  > Having said that, if someone collected together and kept track of
>  > numbers, that would be a great resource. Our colleague Sheila [1] has
>  > done some work on mapping ontologies / namespaces on the Semantic Web.
>  > While her work does not map 1:1 and is at a finer-grained level,
>  > perhaps it can feed into work of analyzing linked data usage on the
>  > web if someone is doing that. (Which might not be that trivial of a
>  > task, unless someone already have the numbers at hand)
>  >
>  > [1] http://www.deri.ie/about/team/member/sheila_kinsella/
>  >
>  > P.S. Just to reiterate: not against quantitative indication of the
>  > amount of linked data, but would keep things simple and put them in a
>  > separate table / figure.
>  >
>  > Uldis
>  >
>  > [ http://captsolo.net/info/ ]
>  >
>  >
>
>
>



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