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Re: Non- and Partial-FRBR Metadata

From: Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:28:19 -0400
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOHhpeoqKNU_apRhg-U_yttKEJu6Hy6nbgYiDD@mail.gmail.com>
To: public-lld <public-lld@w3.org>
Gah, resending to the list.  Sorry, Karen, that you're getting this twice.

-Ross.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>> On 9/27/10 8:35 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
>>>
>>> I *think* you're either saying:
>>> 1) You cannot create a WEMI like graph structure because the source
>>> data you would be modeling from contains elements from various parts
>>> of the W-E-M chain and therefore your resource isn't any specific one
>>> of those (that is, you have multiple, discrete resources in your
>>> 'record')
>>>  - or -
>>> 2) You cannot create a WEMI like graph because the source data you
>>> would be modeling from contains elements from various parts of the
>>> W-E-M chain and it's unpredictable and unparsable from the source data
>>> to ascertain what goes where.
>>>
>>
>> I'm having trouble with what you mean by 'discrete resources' in #1, but #2
>> is a pretty good description of the case. The bottom line is that I probably
>> cannot accurately create either an Expression or a Manifestation entity, as
>> defined by FRBR, and I'm not sure what I would gain by forcing my data (and
>> my identifiers) into that model. I can export an explicit Work entity,
>> because OL has one and it's fairly accurate in its FRBR-ness, but there are
>> Work properties that remain in the bibliographic "record" that is OL's
>> "edition" entity. In other words, I am not working from fully FRBR-ized
>> data.
>
> No (and I'm still not entirely clear, but I think I'm getting warmer),
> I get what you're saying.
>
> So basically the question is:
>
> 1) You can figure out from the metadata elements what entity they
> should belong to
> -or-
> 2) You can't.
>
> If it's #1, then we're in good shape.  The URL
> "http://openlibrary.org/books/OL12558007M" could potentially return:
>
> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL12558007M#manifestation
> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL12558007M#expression
> http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15326163W#work (for consistency) -
> http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15326163W would also return this
>
> Given the fact that in RDF you don't know if you have all of the
> facts, anyway, it gives you the freedom to assert what you know: it
> doesn't matter if it's the entire story.  Your record also doesn't
> have to be the resource.
>
> Of course, if it's #2, then it does :)
>
> -Ross.
>
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