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Re: Browser bars, etc.

From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:20:48 -0400
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
cc: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>, public-iri@w3.org
Message-ID: <C03C42C73F0D171940C4EBBE@JcK-HP8200.jck.com>


--On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 20:09 +0200 Julian Reschke
<julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

> On 2012-07-10 20:02, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> ...
>> It seems to me that a browser does not need to present the
>> "raw" URI in the address bar, and ought to display
>> hex-encoded characters there in a
> 
> s/characters/octets/
> 
> This is part of the problem :-)

Yes, especially with UTF-8.  And that is why I've been arguing
for some years that the move from ISO 8859-1-friendly %hex
encoding of octets to the basically user-hostile hex encoding of
UTF-8 octets was a mistake that should not be propagated into
something that is explicitly concerned with i18n.  Note that,
with %hex octet encoding of UTF-8, the typical user can't even
tell where one character ends and another begins.  \u(NNNN) and
its variations isn't really user-friendly either, but at least
it is about characters and can be mapped to a character (Unicode
code point) by a single-stage lookup that doesn't require
special programming.

>> user-friendly manner. So I don't think that IRI vs. URI is
>> all that relevant for the address bar, whereas it's more
>> relevant for activities like authoring HTML documents.
> 
> People paste from the address bar into href attributes. So
> whatever works in the browser *will* end up in HTML documents.

Yes.  But, to the extent that is true and _all_ HTML
implementations don't support IRIs in href arguments, Dave's
assertion about IRI display in the address bar that started this
thread leads to a failure condition.  

Again, I think the conclusion is that we need to do some careful
rethinking here in a process that doesn't necessarily favor
either of the present IRI or SIR ideas.

best,
   john
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