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Re: [iri] #121: BIDI: Some users are requiring right-to-left label ordering.

From: Slim Amamou <slim@alixsys.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:00:51 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+8D4LD_700Y2ut=vLN9iUnXa4bkvxiQRFCZQqT7fytGzPZqvw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Cc: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>, "adil@diwan.com" <adil@diwan.com>, "public-iri@w3.org" <public-iri@w3.org>
hello Martin,
I meant every scheme spec, sorry .

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM, "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>wrote:

> Hello Slim,
> On 2012/03/30 0:31, Slim Amamou wrote:
>> I support this view. I'd add that It's acceptable for me if the LTR
>> order for the components is enforced on IRIs. The other solution is to
>> state in the RFC that every IRI spec MUST define an overall ordering
>> for the components either LTR or RTL.
> What do you mean by "every IRI spec"? There is only one IRI spec.
> Currently, it's RFC 3987, but we are working on an update.
> Regards,    Martin.
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Shawn Steele
>> <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>  wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> Our investigation is that the parts of an IRI are treated like a list.
>>>  If I have a list like (Afra, Joe, Mary, Maysun, Mohamed, Phil), I'm not
>>> going to change the order of the list because of my language, I expect it
>>> to stay (AFRA, joe, mary, MAYSUN, MOHAMED, phil), not (AFRA, joe, mary,
>>> MOHAMED, MAYSUN, phil).  (Though I confess to mixing metaphors because I
>>> used alphabitization to sort my list and clearly in different scripts
>>> that'd be different.  I imagine I'm getting the idea across though, maybe
>>> it was an org chart that just so happens to have people arranged
>>> alphabetically by transliterated Latin name :)).
>>> Similarly for http://www.microsoft.com/en-**us/default.aspx<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx>,
>>> it's ordered something like a://b.c.d/e/f.g  -- A list can keep its order
>>> rendered as either a://b.c.d/e/f.g or g.f/e/b.c.b//:a   Which is
>>> appropriate depends on the situation, but if we start rearranging the order
>>> of the labels it gets really confusing.  At that point 99% of the populous
>>> would lose all hope of realizing there's an order to an IRI.  (Right now
>>> few people could correctly parse one anyway, but it'd get way worse).
>>> IMO, which way the parts are ordered is less important than the fact
>>> they're consistently ordered.
>>> -Shawn

Slim Amamou | سليم عمامو
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