RE: Window on World

Douglas:

I’m with you – I tried to call 360 video “FR” or “SR” (Filmed Reality or Spherical Reality) to distinguish from VR (yea, I’m one of those people), but that hasn’t caught on :)

Hi Dan. That was exactly my intent!

There are two eye/head trackers on the market that do this apparently.

TrackIR, although their 3rd party Unity plugin seems to have lapsed, and
Tobii

The latter does some pretty precise eye tracking, which could implement the gaze cursor. It’s not a substitute for a mouse, but we’re probably not doing pixel perfect eye tracking as a requirement anyway.

A combination of this setup and a Rudder 3D could be amazing on a 55” 4K monitor on a desktop. Too bad 3D TV’s are gone now though, an LG unit (passive polarized) would have been fantastic.

Nell:

Fantastic proposal. I’m reading it in depth now, will post to the thread. It also seems to include “web pages viewed via immersive headset” whereas I was thinking “screen at desk without headset”.

Thank you! Subscribing to the thread.

                == John ==

From: Douglas Blumeyer <douglas.blumeyer@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:44 AM
To: Waliczek, Nell <nhw@amazon.com>
Cc: Blair MacIntyre <bmacintyre@mozilla.com>; John D. Gwinner <john@gwinner.org>; Ada Rose Cannon <ada@ada.is>; public-immersive-web@w3.org
Subject: Re: Window on World

I've proposed the word "fenestragraph" at a handful of VR talks in the Bay Area: https://cmloegcmluin.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/fenestragraph/

Not as catchy, but more technical.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:19 AM Waliczek, Nell <nhw@amazon.com<mailto:nhw@amazon.com>> wrote:
That was roughly my thinking, too, when I filed this issue: https://github.com/immersive-web/proposals/issues/31


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In classic VR research, that tended to be referred to as "Fishtank VR” … was popular when it was the only thing possible (using shutter glasses and a synch’d display, exactly like modern 3D TVs).

The difference with it and what’s been referred to as diorama mode is that the diorama’s are “fish tanks displayed in a full 3D display” (e.g., 6 DOF AR or VR)  vs “a 3D world anchored to a real-world display”. From a programmer viewpoint, it may not matter much;  both would likely be used from a web page with the expectation of the user not being immersed “in” the world.  And both would receive the user head-pose relative to the display/diarama/fishtank, rather than in a separate external 3D coordinate system.

This also feels like what zspace displays would use.




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On Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 PM -0500, Ada Rose Cannon <ada@ada.is<mailto:ada@ada.is>>, wrote:
Unless I am misunderstanding you, we've been referring to this mode as diorama mode.

There was some discussion on it at TPAC.

Ada

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 18:37, John D. Gwinner <john@gwinner.org<mailto:john@gwinner.org>> wrote:
Has there been consideration for “Window on World” rendering?

In other words, a flat or curved display screen, with some kind of head/eye tracker, and possibly 3D glasses, that would render as a “window” to a real 3D world behind the monitor?

I tried some searches and got nowhere …

There are at least two head trackers on the market that seem to offer this type of environment, currently just used for games. I didn’t see that any browsers support this.

The reason I’m asking is mainly for Enterprise Data visualization. It would be far more comfortable to work in front of a large screen for hours than wear a headset at work for the same amount of time.

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