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Re: IDNAbis session 1 at IETF 74: mechanism/policy, looking for test materials

From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:15:04 +0900
Message-ID: <ba4134970903240215j8fb1ccar2f814611155162e1@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Cc: public-ietf-w3c@w3.org, uri@w3.org
2009/3/24 Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>

> Vint Cerf chaired the session and revewed status/goals.
> The current work ("bis") is called the 2008 design, as opposed
> to the 2003 design. The 2008 design aims
> to be Unicode version independent, for example.
> There was also an interesting presentation on CJK details.



For more information on these, see
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jet-idnabis-cjk-localmapping-01

Felix



>
> The presentation materials are (to appear?) in the IDNAbis
> section of the IETF 74 meeting materials
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/74/materials.html#wg-idnabis
>
> I'll excerpt a bit from the jabber chat logs that
> illustrate some points I picked up...
>  http://jabber.ietf.org/logs/idnabis/2009-03-24.txt
>
>
> I (re-)learned about the mechanism/policy divide:
>
> [01:29:42] <dan.hoopyfrood> (I'm struggling to appreciate the aversion to
> policy issues in this design space. the security/policy issues seem, to me,
> to dominate. If policy is Somebody Else's Problem, is it clear who Somebody
> Else is?)
> [01:29:55] <Andrew Sullivan> Dan: yes
> [01:30:00] <Andrew Sullivan> the zone operator(s)
> [01:30:03] <Andrew Sullivan> and maybe ICANN
> [01:30:54] <dan.hoopyfrood> remind me who the .com and .cn zone operators
> are? (if you have bandwidth)
> [01:31:19] <Andrew Sullivan> .com's zone operator is Verisign, and .cn's is
> CNNIC
> [01:31:35] <dan.hoopyfrood> thanks
> [01:31:41] <Andrew Sullivan> and the zone operator of crankycanuck.ca is
> me
> [01:32:12] <Andrew Sullivan> (Note that lower-level zones are also
> important in this dicsussion -- important not to ignore that)
> [01:32:45] <dan.hoopyfrood> so it's up to verisign whether to allow
> p<alpha>ypal.com to be registered. I guess that makes sense.
> [01:33:30] <Andrew Sullivan> that's the idea, yes
> [01:37:15] <dan.hoopyfrood> (a quick check of -rationale confirms that this
> is discussed there; e.g. "... zone administrators..." in 3.1.2.1. Contextual
> Restrictions in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idnabis-rationale-09)
>
>
> And I got discouraging signals about the state of testing:
>
>
> [01:02:41] <dan.hoopyfrood> is anybody maintaining an IDNAbis test suite?
>
> [01:10:03] <dan.hoopyfrood> (searching for IDNA test materials yields
> something from 2005.
> http://www.gnu.org/software/libidn/draft-josefsson-idn-test-vectors.html )
> [01:10:14] <dan.hoopyfrood> (oops; rather: from 2003)
> [01:10:58] <klensin> There is lots of stuff for the 2003 version... and
> some issues about what "test suite" means.  Can supply later -- too
> distracting to try to do while following the discussion
>
> [01:15:11] <dan.hoopyfrood> (I see various perl/python library test
> materials, including, from Feb 2008,
> http://testers.cpan.org/show/IDNA-Punycode.html )
>
> [01:38:18] <dan.hoopyfrood> indeed, that is counter-intuitive that Bucher
> != bucher (where the u's have umlauts)
> [01:39:09] <dan.hoopyfrood> this is *exactly* the sort of question that
> test suites are ideal for. I wish I could get the IETF to do more test
> suites. (I tried to convince CALSIFY to do a test suite, without success, a
> few years ago)
>
>
> p.s. dan.hoopyfrood is a name that I didn't really intend for
> permanent records, but I haven't figured out how to get my
> jabber client (iChat) to call me something else.
> see also http://esw.w3.org/topic/JabberChickenEgg
>
> --
> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
>
>
>
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